Or it could be death by improvement. Or to get the highest efficiencies requires something prohibitive. One cool thing about sustainable design is that often 80% is the best answer. Like a twist on the Pareto principle, you get 80% of the results from 20% of the effort. But it is good to probe at stuff (except wasp nests.)

Yessir I saw that…I guess I was just pointing out that you can’t get them anywhere in the U.S. according to him, and he’s been doing it for 30 years. I can’t help but wonder if there isn’t SOMETHING in the ingredients or process that is prohibitive no matter where someone is trying to build them….but, it’s probably just a supply and demand thing…no money in it here anymore.

OK, carry on.

I’ll stick with what I stick to…(huh?)

Thanks, Kevin. But I’m talking about a process for third world areas to make their own with local materials. It’s no good if it requires shipping material.

There are are four key ingredients for this type of firebrick: the kaolin clay, the plastic clay, the tougheners (some type of crushed rock), and then the material that displaces for the air pockets (article I read used rice husks.)

Greg R., This is really getting out of my comfort zone to chime in on one of these somewhat scientific discussions, but I’m going to anyway. Those very light, foam-like firebricks are impossible to get as of a few months ago. My (bakeshop) neighbor used to build large kilns for a living….the big ones that you only build two a year to make a good living big…and he had to give up his business because the FIRM firebricks that are still available are more mortar-like, and next to impossible to cut, sand and arrange like the others. He could cut the ones you’re talking about with a few strokes of a hacksaw, and sand with a nail file if you had to. haha. But according to him, the last U.S. mfr gave them up, so before you guys plan on them (and IF they are the same thing), you better check on availability.

Firebricks, as well as keeping the heat will soak up alot of moisture. We always have to drown them in water and make the motar soupy(very wet), and add extra lime to lay the fireboxes. I know they were made of clay and silica sand, but most seemed to have and additional elment. Kinda like iron?

Greg, thanks it was a great trip to Charlotte .. Wow if I knew definitely, I can just imagine the creative sparks would have been flying .. Actually i was looking for a dry spot to have a coffee, the down pour was amazing, next time for sure.

Good idea on insulating bricks … Let’s keep this going!

Hi Patricia,
Cool to hear you made it to EN’s facility. We could’ve brainstormed the toilet brigade over coffee here in Charlotte.

I’ve been running some designs through my head over the last few days. I’ve also been doing some research on insulating bricks because inexpensive insulation would be great for an evaporation chamber using sunlight to heat. I’m still stuck on clay-based solutions. The best firebricks are ceramic/clay with many,many little air holes; essentially a foam.

You can get air in a number of ways, but the most locally friendly methods would be with fine ground organic material. Rice husks are one source I’ve read about, but I think anything that holds some water could be used and then hopefully it would leave voids as the bricks dried. Great firebricks are useful for stoves/cooking, kilns, or biochar creating devices.

Amen to that!!!

Moms are great!The End…..

Whew!! the diaper submission took my attention as well Greg, and I must add, our toilets, poop – aeration – dehydration discussions fueled some whopper good ideas from my point of view and I hope they stimulated some activity for those who stopped by as well. Thanks too for bringing this topic back up to view.
We can never underestimate the value these discussions provide for all of us and the broad diversity of our topics only spur on our endless quest for knowledge and discovery.

I think oxygen concentration sounds ingenious. I remember wanting to absorb moisture and found a jar of natural white crystals at BBB an it worked great. Collect, filtrate use water for maybe power??? Aqueducts sound good Charlie but then the twist is to multitask, purify and transport, store?.

Vermiculite molded into bricks, dried to burn?? Or like you said Charlie reusable soil enhancing with nutrients from liquid waste matter.

Greg, Time is the hot topic here .. lack of it or more of what it takes to lose it. Life is pretty simple for those who focus on the real issues of survival, Like Kat brought to light by referencing the documentary Babies .. The Moms simply did what they needed to do to with what they had to care for their babies and simply moved on to the next challenge .. Quite profound are the inequalities in this world we live.

PS I love Fast Company, brilliant young entrepreneurs.. Their magazine is exciting and on the Edge.
PSS .. G8 would be a sweet smelling bonus for us all. Good Luck everyone with your ambitious diaper dumper submissions :-)

I’m with ya on that one Greg, I know there is out there, those who dont have their basic needs met, and yet…When they don’t have that to think of, they are the very ones that will come up with all the answers. Although that is the least of their worries, time might be something they need from us.
Dyson "vacum tiolet. We gotta company over here, called Suck um Up Pumping, I’ll ask um , if they da kine…wannabranch Aloha my friend
Aloha my friend was just thinking, You mean da different kine stations? umm good!

Sure thing, I seem to think about this at least once a day, lol.

I was amazed on the drying systems that they are talking about only emptying the system once every four or six months! That’s what really, really catches me is the time saving. We in “more civilized” areas may complain about never having enough time, but time is the key of civilization for people living on the edge.

I was reading Fast Company magazine, and they were talking about micro-loans to communities for creating wells. They paint a picture of people spending 4-6 hours a days in just getting enough water to survive. That’s time not spent learning, or getting food, or improving a shelter. Society is a context for time saving. Another alternate angle on that is in Malcolm Gladwell’s excellent Outliers book discussing rice farming and how directly rewarding and challenging effort put into managing a rice farm is to the growth of rice-based cultures.

Meaning, sanitation that asks of much time from an individual is as likely to lower quality of life as raise it.

In terms of the oxygen exhcange, I hadn’t even thought of using actual oxygen reduction, but that is interesting in itself, Charlie. Hmm, force an anaerobic environment to reduce/sequester odor. I had originally thought of drying as requiring getting heat into the muckity-mucks, but with a moisture absorption system it could have cycles where the evaporation isn’t happening directly in the waste depositing area but in an adjunct to it.

I haven’t been around alot lately, but good to see people working together. Thanks Greg for bringing this back and the best of luck with your diapers. ha ha G-8 wouldn’t stink at all my friend. I am very interested in this oxygen collector. Without oxygen, there would be no smell….correct? If that is true it could be used temporarily while everything was being broke down or removed. Bonus time, without the smell would be a necessity if the watse could not be removed imediately. Waterless is quite a different undertaking then people are used to. Even the ancient Romans had their Terra cotta pipes and aquaducts. I still am unsure ,but know there is a way. Convair belts of sort were my first thought, probably cause I live close to gilligans island. There has got to be a way to quickly get it away from the site with useing the sun, wind and mind…. Just thinking outloud.
Patricia, your supper worm idea is fantastic, but I would not enjoy seeing a “Tremors 3”lol scarey stuff.
Greg I like the thought of dehydration away from the site and it’s very possible the way to go , it could start in the transfer system. Whatever that becomes. Clay pellets great, but sloopy untill they are dried or if not dried could they be used as some kind of slurry for around crops? Vermiculite is great for starting crops, but is there anything better, that will allow the ground to breath better? In case it’s useable for planting.

Now that I’ve submitted my diaper solution; thought I’d bring this back to light. I’m liking dehydration for a low waste-handling solution.

I make lampwork glass beads with a torch that uses propane and oxygen to fuel it. One of the things lampworker do to manage costs is to buy an oxygen concentrator. (Having to know how everything works, I had to read up on it…) It uses an alternating flow system where pellets that bind to oxygen are put into an air flow and pick up oxygen, while another tray is having its oxygen removed. They alternate.

I wonder about a system using something like vermiculite or clay pellets to absorb moisture then are swapped into a drying chamber. I wonder if lime is an catalyst for killing bugs or if it is consumed in the process. If a catalyst (like silver would be), then maybe it could be recycled like this too.

Of course with dehydration I wonder about mild filtration or reverse osmosis of the water to create a grey water source for something.

I know Kat .. I can’t imagine living life in the middle of such conditions .. The film was filled with such love, dedication and happiness, it was really gorgeous. Talk about perseverance … and simplicity. Your right Keeping it simple, do we need a new word for toilet?

Greg, wind with a combination of natural resources is a great idea for those moutainous areas ..

Look at all the wind farms we have right here in the US.. What about individual farms handling their own animal waste surplus ? How can we use this process to tackle that?

Sounds like education is a big part of the solution.

I’ve run across this site and this has to be my favorite approach I’ve seen:
http://www.swsloo.com/

Total evaporation using sun heating, convection flows, and wind assist. If the same effects can be harnessed with limited+local materials. Cool.

Let’s not forget the Mongolian mama in the yert either. She used a bucket. The baby spilled it and was making floor art with it and may e even wiped it on his face. She wasn’t at all as concerned as my germaphobe self may have been. You don’t get more simple than a bucket. Maybe there is something in that. We need to think like Betsy w the Eggies. Take the toilet out and what can we do?

Well Kat this is a hot topic and the more info everybody is bringing into this heap the more excited I am getting .. As Charlie said this would be a great topic to play around with. The video was outstanding and Incredibly motivational to see a young talented college student pick up the cross and start the march … and then to create such a gorgeous technical wonder. I can see furniture, cabinetry etc .." Move Over Dyer Lint " there’s a new kid on the block. Your right Kat its biofuels, heat the hut, boil the water. The answer is right here under our noses take a deep breathe world and smell the roses..

Kat .. I loved the Documentory Babies .. what impressed me was the African Mom nonchalantly cleaned her baby not even blinking an eye, dealing with the poo like it was no big deal..

Holy cow – or horse dung Patricia (did you see the poster who said in India horse dung is valuable and sells? – also like the post about civilized countries using their cleanest water to flush waste). See – there are already alternatives out there. Incredibly innovative ones. What are we missing here? I’m guessing what we see as simple may be impossible in some locations: transportation of waste, biodegradable containers (too expensive?). I love the dual function of turning waste into energy and Ralf’s idea of onsite gardens. Is there a way to make a composting toilet that turns it into biofuel AND powers something on the spot? Can we eliminate steps (removal of fuel). We are missing something simple right in front of our faces. What else can biofuel (aka recycled dung) power?

Can’t wait to hear from you again Patricia!

P.S.
The school in Africa my mom visited had no toilets for the children (the children who spun on the merry-go-round to power the school). Bet they’d use toilets.

P.S.S.
Did anyone else see the documentary “Babies”? Followed four babies from birth through toddlerhood. One baby was from an African village. No diapers there. Baby pooped on the spot, mom wiped him clean with a corn cob and her own hands, wiping any remnants of baby poop on her leg – as if it were pancake batter.

Nice find Kat ..
Raif check out below .. Could this be cheaper ?

http://inhabitat.com/toilet-made-from-poo-trans...
http://www.dwell.com/videos/the-bathroom-reinve...

Interesting Kat, the key in either a fungus or bacteria based composting system is temperature, oxygen, moisture regulation and solids removal. Aside from coming up with a completely original method, all this method requires is a way to make it cheaper.

Thanks Patricia, great drawing together of things. I’ve had some experience as a software developer in running group design meetings and the character of the first phase greatly impacts the success of the overall project.

I have to critique my own clay mention :) I may have leapt ahead of my understanding of what is necessary for hydraulic concrete. It may require a clay+lime then firing to get to a wet curing concrete.

Nice, Katherine, that composting toilet lays out some design considerations. Composting seems a great direction, if there is a good local use. If it is urban sprawl or shanty-esque then useable rooftop gardens could be cool. Evaporation (perhaps with water to sand-based cistern) seems like another anti-contamination element.

I wonder if picking a target location could help refine questions of available materials and plants. The other thing is identifying cultural rough spots. Some small governments can harbor corruption and particular breeds of local predatory capitalism.

In reading a current army sanitation field guide, in addition to the oil bit, they still practice using a half drum and using fuel to burn waste (which we did in Desert Storm.)

Here’s another thought: urinals for all. There are definite processing advantages to having liquid and solid separated; if providing a facility I’d consider providing urinals for both sit down and stand up.

Final thought for this post: if the cost threshold is 5 cents per person per day, should labor/effort be considered part of the cost?

Holy cow these composting toilets go for $1500-$2000! I can’t imagine why these aren’t being considered – they are awesome, but thought you all might like to see what we’re up against.

http://www.letsgogreen.com/how-composting-toile...

@Ralf – twenties lol

Greg, thanks for idiot abroad video’s .. loved browsing all his journeys.

Criticism/Creativity – absolutely right on Greg.  What I have learned and experienced by participating in consumer think tanks has influenced greatly how I look at problem solving and harnessing an idea.  Its fun to see the process work.  it’s both exhilarating and exhausting. You  would be amazed at the level and numbers of viable ingenious ideas that come from one well organized and focused  8 hour session.  Frankly it’s mind boggling to look at say a  moderate sized room with 3 full walls plastered with white paper covered with hand scribbled ideas covering literally every white space.  The 4th wall would be covered if it could  but that is the two-way, all glass.  In the first phase of idea generation, the one and only rule laid down is no criticism allowed.   Such act is a punishable crime and could result in performing a crazy stunt, wearing a goofy hat or even land you a 5 min time out.  Hard to sit on the side lines when everyone jumping about having a blast.  Your Constructive criticism is a vitally important part of stage two, screening/weeding  potential pitfalls etc. bring ‘em on the more the better. It’s personally so great to sit back and see as I read all these blogs how well everyone  works, manipulates, and builds on or off each idea that’s laid out.  It is a testimony to all of you on the forum on how truly respectful you all are to each other but also how passionate everyone here is about inventing and preserving the process. Your truly a fine breed,  dedicated to helping each other and celebrating in each others successes. 

Samantha glad you jumped in to the heap ..  Not wasting anytime you added some great ideas to the pile  .. green tinged aromatic wipes I like it and using  solar energy running subterranean waste  processing systems to filter/purify liquids .. What about extracting  Calcium, Chloride, Potassium, Sodium from the urine and making supplemental electrolyte tablets called   " URINEKA "  .. :-) If one were to use lime as part of the filtering process would that then totally destroy electrolytes in the urine and also increase levels of toxicity to a point where another filtering system would be required, did I see  reverse osmosis in the mix?  

Good research on the lime Frank, and your right Charlie, maybe one could bio-engineer a super worm or bug.  If these remote dumping stations could function independently creating energy, fuel or a feasible by-product it would eliminate the need to transport ..  Your right Samantha it’s the large dense areas highly populated that need the immediate relief from the massive amounts of sewage.

Interesting using soil/clay as a component in the process Greg, I need to go back into Franks reference materials about clay.  Oil makes sense acting like Saran wrap over the gravy bowl.  Charlie good idea with using flower or plant to create a botanical blend.  Australian tea, also for it’s antiseptic properties   would be great if they could cultivate the tree in the area.  

Why not .. Sit and Pedal to operate the gearing system  .. There you go Gilligan, the new and improved  "Aerobics in the Can".  

Gilligan’s Island didn’t seem to have a problem with their pedal powered, banana leaf conveyor system and if it’s good enough for Gilligan’s Island, it’s good enough for me. A bathroom bike with a large paddle wheel on the back and a seat hole sounds like a great idea. As you pedal, the oil-covered wheel not only whisks your bio-gold away onto the ruttan conveyor (also powered by the pedaling) but centrifuges it and wipes up. Bill Gates, I’ll have my 41 million in twenties please.

Greg great thoughts. Ilove the idea of covering up the smell. ( If it can’t be removed fast enough)Is there any plants that oil could be extracted from. Not quite the same climate here, but we have hearty castor bean plant/trees in our yard next to the cactus. Would something like that work the layer of oil you mention for smell and possibly the shoot could be lubricated with it? If any sticks to the shoot/screen it would have to be cleaned often. I know convair system might need be wieght sensitive with a sensor at the containment center and so it didn’t have to be cleaned that is why I thought of introducing the “pots” even if they were made from leaves with a lime layer on top to firm and start the decompositon process. With your couterweight system,it might be feasable somehow? these might give jobs to some of the locals. I might be way off base trying to keep it all green, I know it was just waterless in the LPS. I just know simple always seems to be a good approach for me, nature is simple to work with, as it has no need to fight back. Introduce plants that will work without destroying the balance. And going green could possibly give an edge to the university that might be able to use our ideas.

First thing that comes to mind regarding lime is concrete. Is ____ing a brick a possibility?

Introduce a screen and chute entry structure for solid and liquid directing. Soil in the liquid side will contribute floating clay content which overflows into solid area which has lime in it. Clay will let the chemical process work in a wet environment. Hmmm.

Odor management: the military uses a thin layer of oil in their field waste areas to create a barrier for smell and other airborne type chemicals.

Powering mixing, etc.: If the outhouse structure has a counter-weight, entering the outhouse can lower itself and use a gearing structure to do a pre-stir, exiting will allow the box to raise and do a final stir.

Yes Charlie, the very remote areas would have a problem with tanker trucks, whatever size they are, but the very remote areas are probably NOT what we are looking to help. I believe it would be the over-populated areas that have no good way of removing such a high amount of waste, but they do have roads. As far as the reclamation facilities go… if there are dollars to be made, SOMEONE will beat a path to their door, or in this case, their: BIO-Gold; good for fuels and fertilizers. Someone will pay pennies for Poop and get Bucks for Bio…. free enterprise!

Thanks Frank, nice reaserch. So lime is a good decomp accelarator. Any other local or easily intruduced vegitation that could aid to make it faster, (Whether it be Poisonness or non)? Sam, great thoughts, I was unsure about the use of transportation in some of these remote places, thats why I was feeling the way to an alternative way of removeing it fast if possible. Well said Greg, all the ideas here are just that from each owns perspective. Thats what it is all about. Everyones simple ideas being transformed and leading to the new creation.

You’re right; opening the wrong door can unexpectantly reveal the way out!

Patricia – It is a proven fact that calcium carbonate (lime) not only accelerates decomposition, kills deadly pathogens, and mask offensive odours, but also greatly enhances the fertility of soil it’s introduced to.

http://pubpages.unh.edu/~harter/mclean.htm
http://mrec.ifas.ufl.edu/foliage/resrpts/rh_95_...

Well Guys…

At the risk of stepping in a big pile, and after reading all of your very intelligent and imaginative posts… Here is what popped into my head:

1.) The TP, or wipes aspect is very important… I think a form of ‘natural’ toilet paper should be developed using whatever green un-edible but non-poisonous plants are available…. I offer the weeds in my yard for the sake of science. If they can make paper products from trees, why not make toilet paper from weeds; heck I’ve seen “art” made from dryer lint! The wipes would be completely biodegradable, and if you run out… just grab something leafy and go for it, also biodegradable.

2.) Recycling the waste: Since the POO is already biodegradable and now you have made the wipes biodegradable or used whole leaves, you are well on your way to turning that stuff into useable biofuel. you would need a storage container (burried) and of course strategically placed reclaiming centers. With regularly scheduled tanker truck pick ups, the waste will be carried away to be recycled.

But what do you do with the LUMPS? That’s simple:

3.) Turning all into a liquid for easy reclamation……… _READY? ……. Have you ever used a juicing machine? There you go…
a Solar powered pooper juicer! Poop, Paper, leaves and all…. instant liquid, stored in an underground holding tank (away from the populous), each little community selling their liquid bio-gold and then using the $$ to improve their lives.

I was thinking about something that I didn’t see working that was mentioned. Then I thought twice about it, because when a group is collecting up ideas it is best to let that take place first before too much criticism. Because one idea that isn’t practical may be the idea that leads to another that is incredible.

“Was going to add a criticism, but we should think of this as the slo-mo brainstorm for a while and not undercut.”

What are you talking about, Greg?

Was going to add a criticism, but we should think of this as the slo-mo brainstorm for a while and not undercut.

Any see An Idiot Abraod? http://science.discovery.com/tv/an-idiot-abroad/

In India, on standard public toilet is a squat over setup so there is no personal contact with the opening.

I like the principle of depth of engineering experience and know how to figure out how to maximize structures with given materials for third world countries. Whether bio-engineered or well-researched plants could be useful. I wonder what more densely populated older civilizations did like the Mayans who seemed to be on track for a whole nature-based alternative science/technology system. One problem on the Mayans end I read about was they destroyed many trees in pursuit of creating mortar for their monuments.

The reason I would tend to lean towards local plants or plants that could be introduced and would thrive in those paticular regions is because As with any man made product, They are usually lean towards some kind of maintanence schedule and they can’t just expect to get on the phone with Bill Gates and have him fly over and fix their tiolet.

Excellent thought Charlie .. I like the idea of using local organic materials in the production of the system .. maybe it’s bamboo stacked in layers and lined with filtering materials using natural tree saps to glue or create seals for the conveyor belt .. Hmmm

Fascinating .. your such a wealth of knowledge Frank it’s always so great to hear your input .. How long does the skin need to be exposed to the spores before they find there way into the blood stream if that’s even possible to predict? You would think this area of research would be a hot topic as we see Alzheimer’s so much in the lime light.. Shoot! Where the heck are my shoes? :-)

Ok then .. How could you incorporate lime in the process .. Could you neutralize and break down simultaneously? Could you impregnate materials with lime .. Or reproduce lime synthetically and use it on containers, soles of shoes etc. Maybe this is ridiculous but that’s my speciality ..

At the level of cause, When you have to go, you have to go. So there would need to be tiolets in the village, as well as the main paths traveled.
I have no idea on how to break them down the fastest to be reused for farming or fuel, but I’m sure that can be figured out. Like Ralf said the smell would have to be done away with quick.
I first thought of a convair belt made from nature, Agauve ,hemp both very strong as well as others
But the liquid would strain thru and the smell would be there.
Then I thought of easily broke down pots for cathing the solid and liquid, and when you thru doing your busness, the pull of the lever, opens the stop and down the shoot for a quick exit from the unit. At the bottom of the shoot the convair belt is waiting to take it thru houseing under the ground to the containmet/refinery
This can be solar power or hybrid, with merry go round powered. As Kat pointed out, All the villagers would do what it takes to make it happen.
The smaller portable units along the paths could work simular or have smaller containment that could be carried when needed to the larger sites.
The only other thing I have right now is a vacum tight lid that closes when lever is is pulled, with the breakdown materials are pushed with the specimens by compressed air to the containment, but this would probably have to be cleaned occasionally or more. Can solar power with infarred be used to help the breakdown process? Any possibilities? If not I’ll try another direction. Aloha

Patricia, the immune system does not hinder or affect the spore; they are a resilient organism. While on the ground, fire, water, or freezing has no affect on their vitality… once introduced into the body the migration process can take decades, moving through the bloodstream in order to reach the inside of the Spinal Canal, then they move up to the Brain and settle in the Circle of Willis where the procreation is carried out. There once were studies on the average timeline of spore migration, conducted on Chimps in hopes of finding a way to detect, and hopefully stop the migration process, but doing test on animals was banned so the research ended. (in one such Chimp test, the spore was introduced just after birth, and it took 58 years until a mental disorder was detected)

If you (or I or anyone else) are without resident spores, it’s because we just didn’t come into any direct contact with them. The scary part is, there very first symptom of their presence does not appear until the procreation is well underway.

I’ve only half – paid attention to this crappy topic, but there exists technology that always kinda freaked me out. In the wars and impoverished or tragedy-ravished areas they “recycle” water containing human waste into drinking water.

If that relevant here to your discussion? Or could it be?…Or should it be? haha

Actually ingenious guys .. Creating by either modifying or enhancing existing organic matter to provide safe, quick, mechanism to breakdown and digest waste while providing privacy, portability cost effectively ..

Yikes .. Now I am thinking of all the times I spent walking barefoot growing up, but then here i stand made it through exposures to various nasty organisms .. Quite amazing is our bodies innate immune system and our adaptive immune system.

Googled it, only found one study into fungus and human waste. Found Paul Stamets on TED who is doing other stuff with fungus. Need to turn his brain onto this application. dot ted dot com/talks/paul_stamets_on_6_ways_mushrooms_can_save_the_world.html

In the desposal of human waste, the pathogens “E. bieneusi” and “E. intestinalis” are the most volitile human-virulent microsporidian spores which MUST be neutralized, NOT just contained or controlled.

Spores (In microbiology, a spore is a reproductive structure that is adapted for dispersion and surviving) can exist in a dorment state almost indefinitely, just waiting for the right conditions to activate. This is why going barefoot (or any skin contact) on any ground where human or animal waste has EVER laid/decomposed is potentially life threatening… spores can enter through unbroken skin and depending on what strain they are, can do very weird nasty things when reintroduced to the body!
Some physicians have even speculated Alzheimer’s Disease is the result of a spore that entered the body years earlier, and migrated to the brain where it procreates.

Fungi are the answer. They like holes, dark damp places, they grow fast, they have antibiotic properties. Find the right fungus.

Your absolutely right on one thing peanut butter and fluff … That sends me through the roof then add a banana .. I am sky rocketing!! Yum!

Isn’t this ENU? We could Do this. Ideally, if we had EN’s support and involvement in the project it would expand our technological edge, resources and collectively come up with a solution .. But if we were to act independently as Charlie suggested, we could approach a University who has made significant strides in the area, couple up and submit jointly .. I am going to contact the foundation and investigate further.

That stinks.

I just figured out all kinds of problems with my idea. Even if people could accept the idea that bathroom waste could be handled the same way as kitchen waste, it could lead to all kinds of corruption. People who didn’t pay extra could be targeted for no pick up or have their bags cut open. Garbage strikes could hold society hostage.
This is a tough problem. Water can’t be used because it requires too much infrastructure and it’s too precious. So how do you handle waste without smell or disease without burying it, drying it, burning it, composting it.
Anyway, I have my own waste problems here. With so many different bins, my house is being taken over by bins. I’m thinking there could be a business to install garbage add-a-rooms to houses that would house all the different bins but they’d be accessible through chutes through an outside wall. The chute doors would be insulated. It would, in effect, add a butt hole to every house. The room would be sealed from pests and on garbage day the outside door would be opened and all the bins could be mounted on a dolly so they could be wheeled to the curb in one go. Does anyone know of a system like this?

Greg, If it is for a universe-city, nothin wrong with givin them our input.

Ralf, your right, your approach is the simpleist, and the best so far. What if we could go to the cause? And remind them, who they really are?

There’s an idea, make it look like peanut butter and you don’t need to dispose of it, just camouflage it, make it look and smell nice, disinfect it and the problems disappear. Just spitballin here.

Yea, Peanut Butter is always dangerous in my house and deadly if there’s some Marshmallow Fluff about too.