I think intuition often relies on knowledge, especially vague and semi-forgotten knowledge. It is the making of connections and this can come from experience with the world and with the way things work. Intuition seems to be the making of connections before we are concretely, consciously aware of them.

My little invention ideas often spring from remembering other products in the world. Parts, connections, mechanisms; the knowledge of the way a bicycle brake works can be applied to something else. Of course, to refine a product often takes specific reasoning and downright tinkering.

Then let’s take that intuition… What is it really?

This is from Wiki…
Intuition is the ability to acquire knowledge without inference or the use of reason.¹ “The word ‘intuition’ comes from the Latin word ‘intueri’, which is often roughly translated as meaning ‘to look inside’’ or ‘to contemplate’.”² Intuition provides us with beliefs that we cannot necessarily justify. For this reason, it has been the subject of study in psychology, as well as a topic of interest in the supernatural. The “right brain” is popularly associated with intuitive processes such as aesthetic abilities.³⁴⁵ Some scientists have contended that intuition is associated with innovation in scientific discovery.⁶ Intuition is also a common subject of New Age writings.⁷

So, the question could be “Is invention the product of Reasoning?” If so, since intuition is withoutreason, is intuition involved at all. I don’t know if I even like this definition. Here they are saying that intuition is in the acqusition of knowledge, not necessarily in the application of it.

Can you stand on your hands?

I’d venture to guess most of us here quickly answer yes? And a moment later check which shoes we are wearing to wonder how much our fingers will hurt to prove the point?

It’s about valuing the unexpected and being prepared and receptive to it. To Frank’s observation, I think the very nature of parenting and being responsible all the time for little bits and changes leads to grief if one isn’t ready for the unexpected. The state of mind and capability to be “always on” responding to the unexpected I’d call intuition.

Chappy, think I’ve mentioned it before: My simplest answer to how do I create is “By any means necessary.” Because I like to ponder inner working as well as outer, and I like to experiment and try new things: I’ll do mind blanking in a tub, flip through pictures, get my hands on something bendable/moldable, free-form think or build in my head while driving, doodle, etc.

However, as perhaps to your original intent, if I want results now: I’ll sit down and make lists and induce divergent results. I try to start with lists relating situations before I look for solutions, because I find I create less artificial constraints. If I start by pondering a can opener, I won’t end up with a new toaster. But no matter how structured I may go, eventually I’ll start getting full blown products popping into my head.

HUMMMMM just got in from workie… let me chew on this then…. i’ll be back…

Interesting points of view… :)))) !!!!

Greg,
The “Value Proposition” conversation is a great one with many rabbit holes to go down. I will chase those rabbits with you soon. I am most interested in your POV on that as it seems to be a major portion of why you do what you do. I think in previous discussions that your and my methodologies are most similar due to our professional background in business analysis and programming. I would like to discover the way you discover opportunity, create a solution and structure your value propositions. I think we could have a great conversation on that as I surely have my methods and we could add to one another.

I think Frank is on to something though and it deserves some focus. The female maternal instinct or intuition is quite the phenom. Frank has a point and it serves well in this conversation as does the Value Proposition aspect. As I see it, being a parent myself, a period of time no matter the time frame with a child is a series of micro-disasters. The parent is in a persistant state of problem solving and that is teh creativity that Frank is discussing.

It differs however, from Martha’s heavenly Fruit though in that Martha was proposing a value proposition on other bakers intellectual property and claiming it as her own which, in turn, lost her more respect than if she just would have declared the recipes she used and then added her twist to call it her own by her own name.

In turn, Frank’s Transe State that he enters when creating his works seems to be a passionate love affair and I am gaining understanding of this. I propose that we create “ad hoc”. Also that we create for the reason of problem solving and to take advantage of opportunity. I am saying that it can be induced and I am hypothesizing that if there is no payoff then creativity is done out of Love which is the most peculiar state of the mind.

Then Belief and faith in oneself has made a surprise visit into the conversation which are in part definition of love… hmmm…

Wow, Frank! Beautifully said!

She was exhibiting a pseudo creativity; everyone is familiar with a standard apple pie… she would glean the recipe from peers who have baked them and produce a perfect apple pie, but call it: “Martha’s Fruit Heaven”, claiming to be the first to have ever made one and DEMANDING praise for being the best tasting! The ONLY creativity she exhibited was coming up with new names for well known dishes.

Some folks are Naturals, others wouldn’t “get it” if it was pounded into them every day! I can only reflect from matters I’m involved in, but like the Art for instance; I can see the image I want on the blank canvas… and as the classical music carries me away, I proceed in placing the image into the blank space. Don’t ask me to explain HOW I do it, it’s just THERE… many/most times after completing a work and snapping out of the trance, I find it difficult to imagine that “I” did that! Modeling is the same way for me, and even my profession… I DO NOT accept the phrase “I Can’t”! If I put myself in that special place, NOTHING is impossible! (Like Greg has stated, one has to BELIEVE they can do it)
I’ve revealed this to Betsy before and Lisa knows, but back in August I had to take care of a small child whose step parent had reduced them to an unrecognizable form. NOTHING is impossible.. and impossible is NOTHING! Nineteen hours later I emerged from the trance, that seemed to have only lasted three or four, completely exhausted, so thirsty I could hardly breath, and before me was this beautiful little ANGEL with a beautiful little smile, sleeping peacefully, holding the little doll her Grandmother bought for her when she was born.

The greatest masters of creativity, in my opinion however, are Housewives/Mothers; who not only balance many responsibilities on a 24/7 schedule, but are able to tie them all together with being an expert negotiator, inventor, friend, counselor, coach, judge, healer, lover, entertainer, cleaner, and cook…. then be able to deal with a man who thinks she’s “lucky” not to have HIS 8hr per day/5day per week oh-so-stressful responsibilities! LOL
Yes, it’s great to get a G7 or G8 or Patent or Licensing deal, but the TRUE MASTERS of the art are the Housewives/Mothers, and especially if they somehow manage to balance a CAREER in with all that!!! THEY have forgotten more about true “CREATIVITY” than most of us will ever know… and quietly chuckle to see others struggle to understand/define it.

Connections within the brain that collectively define things are inherent. Working those connection backwards or projecting them forward to create is inherent. Can a person induce those connections to create towards a goal? Certainly. Can all or will all people allow themselves to or believe they can? Nope.

I’ll presume most of the rest of the questions are rhetorical as answers would revolve around the apparently devalued value proposition.

Very good subject Frank. So your wife’s coworker was being creative by piecing together other peoples recipes. It is funny to me that peoples recipes recieved praise or the lack of praise in your circles. Besides, how can a recipe be original these days… I don’t follow recipes, of course so I may be wrong about that.

How can you say anything is absolute though? In this discussion I am trying to back into it with a simple either or option. Do you create because of an existing problem or do you create to take advantage of opportunity? Why do we create & is it induced or inherant?

Can inducing creativity and rewarding the behavior develop positive behaviors? Can an addiction to drugs be replaced with an addiction to create? Can a criminal be rehabilitated?

Fairin is correct, Chappy, it’s absolutely unique for each individual, based on the various life experiences each has encountered.
One who led a sheltered and catered childhood will have different thought processes than one who got by however they could. Alternatively, how the individual RESPONDS to their surroundings/circumstances brings about varied thought processes as well… just because everyone is capable and are born with the required mental facilities to be creative, doesn’t mean they will, or CAN be.

For instance, some were verbally and/or physically abused as a child; they NEVER were allowed to experience praise and admiration for their accomplishments…. they were never consoled or “understood”, but always told “you can/should do better”! Some shook this off
after getting on their own and used it as an example of what NOT to be…. some rebelled against ANY form of authority…. some continued in life by sheilding themselves against failure by NEVER, EVER trying… and some, created a fanatsy world where they fancy themselves as SUPERIOR to all others so they never have to deal with reality. These are susceptible to tantrums, blaming others for their own behavior, projection (accusing others of things they are guilty of), out of control anger, easily if not constantly frustrated, points out others shortcomings, destains questions, inability to listen, dominating, bullying others, demanding THEIR WAY at all times, entitlement, total disregard for other’s boundaries, highly sensitive/insensitive, easily insulted, loud, and funny/charming when there are no problems.

Those who are of this state of mind find it quite impossible to be naturally creative, instead, their version of creativity is how to manipulate those around them into providing what they are after, then calling it their own. A lady who use to work with my wife was like that… she would question others about recipes she found appealing, then turn up with a covered dish SHE had came up with on her own… and it was EXACTLY what she’d been asking about, but she had assigned her own name to it, claimed the reason she was asking about it was because it sounded like “Lisa” had stolen the recipe, then became “upset” if we didn’t praise her for her “discovery”!!

Point being, a persons natural creativity has a lot of mitigating factors and motivators supressing it, or allowing it to bloom!! There is no “standard”, as it is always “unique for each person”.

Brain’s center of reasoning and problem solving is among the last to mature

The brain’s center of reasoning and problem solving is among the last to mature, a new study graphically reveals. The decade-long magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) study of normal brain development, from ages 4 to 21, by researchers at NIH’s National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) and University of California Los Angeles (UCLA) shows that such “higher-order” brain centers, such as the prefrontal cortex, don’t fully develop until young adulthood.

Found at http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/8410.php

Ahhh, Yes… Good ole value propositioning. That is critical in placing a finger on “Purpose” of creativity. I think that jumps ahead though. I am exploring the particular nature of the origin of creativity. The value proposition of product A vs. Product B only goes as far as saying “My widget is better because…”

Why do you create though?

I love Acronyms Fairin… What the hell does all that mean?!!!!!!!!!!!!
It could be unique for each person but I don’t think it is. The thing that I am trying to overcome is the obstacle of not knowing. Seldom does a anybody, especially over the internet, really dig in deep to discuss anything. Problem solving happens in the same region of the brain for every person.

http://health.usnews.com/usnews/health/healthda...

It is a wonderful world of study if nothing else. Stimulus/Response/Reward is the way we learn. So Fairin, do you create to solve problems or create to take advantage of opportunity?

I saw this, Chappy, and I said “Is he waving a flag in my direction?”

I won’t dig too much into your paradigm. Abstractions are fundamentally semantics to me.

Let’s toss out one assumption… it isn’t about problems. This is a refinement of my own thinking in recent months:

It’s about values and creating value propositions. The opportunity is to create a value proposition that is more compelling than other value propositions. I think EN should rephrase that question on their submission to be: “What is your value proposition?”

Why would retailer A give extra shelf space to manufacturer B for your product C in lieu of product D? That’s the first link in the chain of our value proposition. For the consumer, if I’m solving a problem, I’m assigning a value to that problem and asking a consumer to value that problem over other problems and to spend money on a solution to that problem. If I’m improving an existing solution, then I am asking the consumer to both value the problem and to value my solution over the existing one. Two more links.

Value is not $$$, it’s perceived value and a butt-load of subjectivity goes into that value judgement. So improving an existing solution and hoping to have consumer’s buy your solution requires them to devalue their past purchase decision making. That’s why situational reasoning. Why fight the slope of that value assessment? (I say reasoning vs. deduction because I see deduction in a specific way that contrasts with induction and divergent and some other noggin mechanics.)

Now that I type this, I am thinking this is a point of view I’ve been trying to obtain these past months I’ve been at EN. I’ve spent time on low value problems, high cost solutions, high risk propositions, etc. I’m feeling more clarity.

Cheers

You should know by now i am just giving you a bad time :))))

this is the way we follow it in Nursing…. its called SOAP

S = Subjective
O = Objective
A= Assessment
P= Plan

i think you can use this with most problems if you gather correct info…. which would be objective…

other than that … if it is not a problem you are trying to solve…but rather just new ideas like for giggy etc…Where the creativity comes from is unique for each person…

jungle gym.

That was just the topic. Discussions that spring from it will be in normal speak.

So you assess the problem first… Is the LPS objective the Problem?

What if there is not a problem? Like with Irwin, Giggy or Soccer.com. There is not a problem to be assessed but the LPS presents an opportunity. How do you assess then?

Can creativity be induced by opportunity? I propose it can; not necessarily by problem but by the mere fact there is an opportunity.

Besides, this topic is right in Corsaire’s wheelhouse. I promised that we would discuss situational deduction. I didn’t really understand everything he was talking about and I was hoping he would fill in some of the blanks for me.

you always have to assess the problem first to find THE or A solution… How would one come to a conclusion without looking at the problem ???

and Chappy… next time can you just not use so many BIG WORDS ??? My brain My brain… work brain work !!! HAHAHAAA :)))))

just talk normal… otherwise your book will be boring… !!!!!!!! HAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!