I think EN doesn’t work for the type of inventor who expects their product to be chosen and can’t accept it when it’s not. Or the inventor who expects to have total control over their product.

Greg, I don’t think I glossed over any of your examples because I covered everything under the topic of risk-taking. My point was that most inventors don’t have the money and resources to risk on an invention. I agreed with you that there are inventors who are willing to absorb all the risks and do all the work that EN typically does for other inventors. I’m all for entrepreneurship and I feel it’s the backbone of our nation, but the current economic situation has made starting one’s own business next to impossible. And that’s assuming the entrepreneur is also a good inventor with a great invention to sell to a bank or a wealthy investor. But not all entrepreneurs are good inventors (or they won’t admit they aren’t to themselves!) I’m still going to hold to my assumption that EN is not good for rich and foolish inventors who like to take risks unnecessarily!

Thanks Jane, I hope others don’t discredit my professionalism. I’ve been emotionally beat up, taken advantage of, ridiculed, insulted, over-estimated, under-estimated, and negatively stereotyped as an inventor, so if anyone wants to discredit my professionalism as an inventor, they’re going to have to wait in line and try a little worse than I have!

Actually, Jim, I would venture to say that is the most common type of inventor. As I mentioned, many small business owners are just that; people with an innovation in an area that they are intimately tied to are the people that create product (or service really) based small businesses. Many if not the vast majority of product based corporations were started in just that way. It is risky, but a lot of people are wired to that risk and dream heavily of running their own businesses. We are probably all familiar with the huge failure rate.

You glossed over my second example, too. And that person doesn’t need great wealth, in fact they can get their licenses for under $100.

For myself, EN is an ideal fit at the moment but isn’t the only basket I’m putting my eggs into; I just think saying all or marginalizing those taking other avenues does a disservice to them as fellow inventors and innovators.

Mr. Hacsi, I really like your perspectives on EN. I hope that by posting this that others don’t discredit your professionalism as I am a newbie here. Comments seem to be either constructive or the opposite, but EN is professional either way :)

So Greg, if you’re saying EN is not good for a rich inventor with only one or two specialized inventions who wants to start and run their own business, I guess I agree. But how many inventors are there around like that? Even at that, EN has everything in place to help that type of inventor make their business more successful, so EN would still be a good investment for them if they are smart. So we’ll assume for now that EN is not good for very wealthy inventors with a lot of industry contacts who like to take big, big risks with their money!

Here I’ll invent a common enough inventor for whom EN is not the best choice:
1. Invention comes from years of experience in a specific field
2. Inventor dreams of running their own business
3. Inventor has plenty of cash and/or investing resources
4. They have the one central invention and ideas all closely coupled with that idea

Not completely made-up as I’ve met a few of these through my local inventor’s group. Many also fit into the category: “small business owner.”

I’ve never found one-size-fits-all clothing that works for me.

Here’s another example:
An inventor successful at licensing his own products into markets where he specializes.

We hear it all the time that EN is not (good) for all inventors. Can someone please give some examples when that is true, because I don’t see it that way. When is EN not good for an inventor? Is EN not good for the disgruntled inventor who can’t take honest criticism about an invention? Is EN not good for an impatient inventor who wants to get rich quick because everyone around him or her is telling them that a good ‘invention’ company should be able to make them rich overnight? Is EN not good for an over-zealous inventor who thinks they have a great invention when all they really have is crap? Is EN not good for the inventor at the end of the line with no place else to go? Is EN not good for the new inventor with a lot of honest hopes and dreams? Is EN not good for an inventor who thinks they are smarter than the EN team and who won’t listen to anyone? Usually when we hear that EN is not good for some inventors, it comes from an unqualified source or it comes from people who have unrealistic expectations about what help really means for them. And at times it seems people who are not inventors at all say EN is not good for some inventors. Those are the people who think they’re too good to be in the trenches with the rest of us ‘loser’ inventors and they think they’re better than us because they may know a little more about things related to inventing, but they don’t know inventors and they don’t care enough to fully understand the mission and significance of EN . Now I may begrudgingly agree that EN is not good for some types of inventions, but I just don’t see that EN is not good for some inventors. So what inventors is EN not good for? I personally think EN is good for all inventors, and the ones you would think they’re not good for are usually the ones they’re better for!

Nice question Mr Hacsi ! see below
Here’s a more direct question for you though: In submitting an idea for a retail-based kiosk to Coinstar, is public disclosure for all to see a required condition to enter?

Jim your question on public disclosure deserves an honest answer. One question I have is if the company wasn’t Coinstar and it was one of the well known ASOTV Companies or Inventor Organization’s that we all know, would the same question be asked of them ?

After reading the info below ask your self would public disclosure ever come to your mind. Im not so sure that most would question or think about public exposure because of who this/these organization are.

It’s almost here. No, not Christmas or New years, I’m talking about something far more exciting to an inventor. I’m talking about the Professional Golfers Association Merchandise show in sunny Orlando Florida January 27-29th 2011.

The PGA show is a huge show where anyone who’s anyone in the sports industry shows up to see the latest in new merchandise and new innovation for both the Golf and Golf Support categories. From Clubs, Bags, and Ball, to Clothing, Games, Cleaning Supplies, and even Beverage products. This show has it all.

For the inventor community there’s even more to offer. The UIA is proud to announce the Inventor Spotlight section of the PGA show and the 3 great values participating inventors receive.

EXPOSURE! That’s right, exposure to buyers from major retailers like The Sports Authority, Dick’s Sporting Goods, Golf Galaxy, Golfsmith, and even Target. This is your chance to come face to face with the people who can catapult your product to huge orders. It happens at almost every show, an inventor shows his/her product to a buyer walking past the booth and the next thing you know it’s on a store shelf. Sometimes the buyer writes the purchase order on the spot.

If you were a person that thought you had a great idea/invention would you be all hyped about the info above. In my opinion yes you would because it looks like the PGA and UIA are tied to together. I’m betting the PGA doesn’t have a clue what the UIA is really about and neither does the Promotional Company “Reed Exhibitions”. Reed is also the company that promotes the National Hardware Show. The last paragraph above about EXPOSURE has enough info in it to convince anyone that it’s the real deal, I’m sure some people immediately booked tickets to fly,hotel ect.
My question is should the PGA or Reed Exhibitions warn inventors about Public Disclosure ? The answer is NOPE but the UIA should because they wrote the Press Release and their suppose to protect inventors……

Watch the video below,the inventors publically disclosed their products. They were probably so excited about being on TV/NEWS they didnt think about letting the entire public see their idea.

TROUBLE-U-TROUBLE-U-TROUBLE-U.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/good_day_philadelphia/inventors-day-comes-to-philadelphia-081110

After reading and researching the info above is public disclosure for all to see a required condition for Inventors Day or The Inventors Spotlight ?

If you went to Inventors Day or The Inventors Spotlight and found out it wasnt behind closed doors “private showing” would you still show your product/invention after spending the $$$$ to get there. What if you were presented a document to sign after you got there stating the companies could use your product submission material,pitch as they want to…..Maybe put your submission/pitch on youtube for everyone to see.

Im using the United Inventors Association and the well known ASOTV company above as EXAMPLES only !

alikamp, all I did was ask you a few questions about your successes and failures to get a better idea of who you are. The most trustworthy members on this forum frequently admit their shortfalls and it’s not seen as a bad thing to do. For that matter, I think we all grow together by sharing our good or bad experiences, expectations, and dreams. But why should anybody listen to your opinion if you can’t even answer a few simple questions? We don’t know yet if you or your opinions are good or bad. Here’s a more direct question for you though: In submitting an idea for a retail-based kiosk to Coinstar, is public disclosure for all to see a required condition to enter? Lastly, you came across with an agenda obviously set against EN by making some wild claims and speculations about their integrity, so what are we to expect from you?

Well I got my post deleted last night because I said something negative about one of the major players on this site. All I did was post honestly what happened and will again here but im sure this post will not see the light of day either. Making a clean comment about how you summit an invention to a company and they are not interested yet then then duplicate your product and bring it to market 6 months later is truth not bashing any one just stating fact. I asked 2 questions about moving forward and was hoping for feedback. Sadly I got deleted as I expect this one to be also. When this happens I will just cancel everything and move on.

I’m not sure that ANY of the products EN has helped with had patents obtained by person submitting to LPS. I love this community and wonder if the two latest s__t disturbers to infiltrate our ranks are either the same person or perhaps involved with one another (in whatever sense you wish to consider – the words alley and camp made me think of my youth in Hollywood).

alicamp, can you give us more specifics please. How many products do you have that successfully made it to market? How many products have you had licensed? How much money have you paid upfront if you did get products licensed and/or brought to market? Who commissioned you to save EN members from ourselves? What’s the success rate for Coinstar (inventors made money on their inventions)? And this will hurt, but what level of education have you completed (my guess is college sophmore)? Let us know if you find something better than a ‘community of inventors’, a hobby as exciting as inventing, and something as precious as ‘a glimmer of hope’.

Thanks Patricia and Frank. Everything is Great!

Glad you got through the storm ok Frank. :)

Yes, welcome Lisa (nice name btw), sorry for the scramble you had to go through, but normally everything’s cool.

Like Nunya said, the rules are few and very easy to understand… the only ones who would have a problem with
killing a spam/service promotion post are those who support that kind of garbage… unfortunately, the innocent
post go with the thread too.

alikamp said: “…and quite honestly they are more about collecting your cash than cultivating a true inventors forum”

Is that right? Wow!! Care to name a TRUE inventor’s forum?

Welcome to EN Lisa .. Sorry you had to stress for hours on this .. But Nunya is right you were a casualty and knowing this should make you feel so much better !! Good Luck, this is such an awesome place … !!

Chicken soup for diner, I’m broke.

Well, that’s good to know – ‘cause I really like being here and want to get along with folks. I’m not a boat rocker. Well, except for those great products I am inventing… This is great and very exciting to me – I love inventing and thinking of new stuff all the time!

Anyway, thanks Nunya for the kind words and encouragement. :)

Lisa, it seems that it was Joe’s thread and not your post that was deleted. Your post on his thread was simply a casualty of war I suppose. ;) I don’t have that page open in my browser any longer as I closed it but I recall you being nothing but polite so I am pretty sure that your’s had nothing to do with it.

Ok. Thanks Betsy. I appreciate the info.

EN doesn’t delete. There are unknown rotating moderators I think who are just average members.

Thanks Michael!

Imagine getting up Saturday morning to find a stranger having a garage sale in your driveway…if escorting them off the property is controlling the herd, then I’m all for herd control.
Lisa, no worries…

Nunya,

ok. Thanks for taking the time to explain things to me. It’s hard being the new kid on the block. I’ll get the hang of things I expect.

I would imagine that it had to do with going against number 3 of EN’s forum rules: “No spamming. Do not use the forums to promote your invention services. If you have invented a product, it is OK to promote that.”

Particularly the part of “Invention services” and Joe’s intent to to entice EN forum members to use his newly created invention services websites to garner evaluations, submissions and help of forum members to provide him ideas as well as assistance in building his invention services companies/websites.

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Joe Chang
safedice

I bought two domains, (address deleted).com and (address deleted).com. Plan to build a site to help people like me, can’t afford to be an insider.

Offer free idea evaluation, idea submission, co-invention/brainstorm, licensing, forum etc.

How’s the idea? Anyone feel like to help?
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Just because he uses the word “FREE” doesn’t make it so and as he paid the cash for the domain names clearly he hopes to make a business out of it. I have to wonder what qualifies Joe as an invention evaluator? Why would I or anyone give our closely guarded inventions to anyone unqualified anyway?

Plus, I find it comical that on those two websites it shows videos of him toking weed/tobacco on his colorful pipe. How professional is that? Maybe EN should include an illegal substance rule as well because that is not something that looks good in any “legal” forum.

I am also trying to get business for my company website but don’t post it in my competitor’s forum. That would just be bad form indeed.

Well, thanks ya’ll. I’ll just try and be more careful about what I say in here. I don’t want to upset anyone. That’s not why I’m here. I just want to get my ideas in the market.

Just trying to put food on the table.

It’s very easy to figure out who these delete slap happy Mods are…You would think they ban the clown on this forum who
continues with the nonsense.

It’s not EN and they aren’t here to take your money…They are here to help you and if they do we both win. I’m glad they charge people to enter searches…just imagine how many people would be flooding EN with nonsense.Besides they have a staff who does a great job and need to get paid ..they also have families and bills.

That being said It’s some mods who are taking it too far with their silly Mod power.Maybe the next rotation of mods will not be as harsh as the current Mods.

Who knows? I put up a notice about a contest from coinstar and a bit of feedback, they took it down super fast I can understand why EN wants to control the herd, the truth is they arent the only game in town and quite honestly they are more about collecting your cash than cultivating a true inventors forum. This is a business. Aloha all.

No, I didn’t swear, I did say I liked something. anyway, hi Sleepyhead.

Some of the reasons a comment may be deleted: swear words, selling, promoting……