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Mathew Whitney
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When in Providence the first folks in line to get into the convention center were the fellas I saw from American Inventor with the push mower with the steering bar and front wheel.

I admire their tenacity but I have to wonder why they think their change to the push mower represents improvement.

I’ve mowed enough with push mowers to know that you often need to push down on the handle to lift the front end so it chomps down on thick grass and to turn on a dime. A steering bar doesn’t help you do either of those maneuvers, it actually inhibits that.

I also saw the couple from American Inventor who came up with the Tea Brain, I think it was called? A retrofit tea making contraption for coffee makers. Seriously, does a kettle have that many issues?

Louis points out that they see the same ideas crop up at nearly every casting call. Have none of these people heard of Google Patent Search?

Do I need to know the exact moment the mail arrives? The PO folks are pretty punctual.

Can’t I commit myself to looking around a parking lot for Blue 7 or how many rows to the left of the main entrance I am? Or buy a helium ballon with 20’ of string if say, I’m going to an amusement park with square miles of lot?

In Providence I saw no less than 3 variations of Shovel-with-fulcrum, one I believe I saw on AI.

I keep bringing up that other show because those people I saw were already rejected for good reason, heck, the Tea Brain couple got $50k to improve their idea!

As Butthead said to Beavis – “you can’t polish a turd Beavis”

Everyday Edisons people know the right way to exploit us. They are honest about getting “emotional”, and they don’t waste tape on stupidity…

That reminds me, and I won’t bring up that inferior program again, there was the one guy that showed up with a stick, he called a rubber glove finger inverter or something to that effect.

I so wished I could have been that British judge guy, cuz he had no sympathy…as a 33rd degree hydro-ceramic sanitation specialist, impervious to all known surfectants and abrasives I no longer need pansy gloves that only keep your hands in a pool of dishwater…but I know as well as anybody that you don’t return the glove to yellow on the outside with a stick, you peel it around and then blow into it like a balloon, all four fingers and thumb POP right out in one split second.

I would have done this in front of that guy and smacked him across the face with it like I was Bugs Bunny, “Nice try chap, now bugger off with your twig and quit wasting our precious time!”

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Jason Garcia
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I was at Providence and saw those people too. I was wondering if the lawn mower man was the guy from AI…and the Tea couple, well you can’t forget them.

I was about 8th back in the gold member line. I was lucky enough to be there with some friends I met online (Eric, Scott, and Holly) and they gave me some great advice and things went smoothly…even though I didn’t make the cut.

posted July 09, 2008 03:25 (
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Passion is easily a delusion when you don’t succeed the first time. As a design educator, I know that acceptance of rejection is not a natural skill. We teach iteration to get students used to throwing out ideas. Take a design novice, and then have all his friends affirm the greatness of his idea. Give him a shot on TV and have thousands of people tell him how great his idea is. How easy do YOU think it is to give up on the idea at that point, despite the ultimate rejection? I’m trained to move on, as I’m also trained to come up with other ideas. When the idea is your only egg, and you’re past the egg laying age, the entire scope of your paternal/maternal instinct will come to bear on your baby’s future. A little sad. Very Human.

posted July 09, 2008 04:33 (
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Benjamin Franklin Paige III
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There was this one guy there from American Inventor. He created some kind of trans-dimensional portal that made mean people disappear.

I guess you didn’t meet him.

posted July 09, 2008 04:55 (
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I hear ya man, but don’t be so harsh.

“Stupidity”, come on.

posted July 09, 2008 04:56 (
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Jefferson Brooks
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David,
Thank you for saying something real. I am an Art Director also trained in letting go and moving forward. I have learned to experience rejection the same way I experience praise or acceptance. It is merely a marker on the path of a given project indicating what the next move should be, ie., stop, advance here, change this, change that, etc…

posted July 09, 2008 05:10 (
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Ditto, Jeff

posted July 09, 2008 05:28 (
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Mathew, Lots of shovels with fulcrums, you say? … Uh oh!!! Well, there’s a waste of $25 for me!! My primary entry had nothing to do with shovels, so I hope that’s still going well. But I designed a shovel with a fulcrum for the AMEs Garden Tool Design Contest, and on a whim entered it into the EN Online Casting Call instead. I never put a lot of stock in it. I figured $25 was a good price to pay to have someone else do a prior art search and marketability evaluation for me. I didn’t know there were so many other people doing the same thing. Oh well. Maybe one of my other two entries will fare better. Thanks for the reality check!

posted July 09, 2008 06:11 (
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That other show didn’t know what they were doing. It was all about drama and humiliation, merely for entertainment purposes. It’s no accident that they haven’t brought a single product to market. My friend Eric, a top 3 finalist from the first season (with the football training device) ended up with nothing out of the deal, despite giving them two months of his time.
I could go on a rant here, but that show is dead, as it should be. I’m already too far off topic. :)
Long live EE and EN!

posted July 09, 2008 06:53 (
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Trent Rousey
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Nothing stupid about continuing to follow your dream. If I would have given up when my first few told me no, I would simply be a failed inventor. Who wants that? I was rejected in all of these shows and have auditioned for most, but my product is sold now, all over the country, Canada, Mexico.
Stupidity has nothing to do with not giving up!

posted July 09, 2008 06:59 (
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The stupid part(s) of following your dream, no matter how delusional they may be are:

Lack of introspection
Lack of due diligence

I was being hypocritical about my anger until I realized I should be angry with myself – for not using my 2 minutes wisely.

Since this is a learn as you go profession mistakes will be made…

posted July 09, 2008 07:42 (
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I think David hit it on the head. People go in with blinders on and don’t want to even think about their baby not being the best new thing out there. I think the process of coming up with something totally AWESOME is very hard and frustrating at times. Some people would rather go with their half baked idea than to go back to the drawing board. They can’t take constructive criticism because it’s not what they want to hear. They want to hear – how brilliant Jane, here’s a cool mil for that kick ass invention now don’t go spend it all in one place kid!

posted July 09, 2008 07:57 (
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Both of what you mentioned are things that are learned very quickly in this game. More mistakes will be made, than right moves and that is something that you have to deal with. I made more expensive mistakes in my first year than you could imagine, but I toughed it out and eventually started taking advice from people with nothing to gain, that seems to work the best. Forums like this one or many of the others I contribute to, are the very best places to learn the right things to do.

There is one thing that does slow people down though, negativity! Keep these forums positive and incourage others, this tends to lead people in the right direction, whether it is advice to quit and move on or if it is advice to put everything in it and push forward. Either way, if it is in a positive learning environment, it is helpful.
Just my $.02….Trent

posted July 09, 2008 08:04 (
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No negativity coming from me, just reality. Some people don’t do their homework. They don’t seek input from focus groups or ask for unbiased opinions. I think it’s more of a bad character trait that some people think they know everything and that they could have never made a mistake. That’s going in with blinders. If your goal is to get your product to market – the market is the people who will buy your product. Their opinion counts. Don’t lose site of that. If you’re the only one who thinks it’s great, than you have no market. If they would have done a little research or asked around, maybe they wouldn’t have been standing in line with yet another version of the…

posted July 09, 2008 08:17 (
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Patrice, I was actually referring to Mathew’s post, but your right. My last paragraph says just that, but you can keep negative advice in a positive light.

It’s like telling a kid in his first little league game, that since he struck out at bat, he should move on and try something else!

posted July 09, 2008 08:25 (
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Not at all Trent, I’m just saying to check yourself before you wreck yourself! Just make sure that there is a market for your invention and that it’s not just cool in your head. If it’s not up to par, don’t quit and become an Accountant, just go back to the drawing board and figure out where you went wrong. Try a new approach. Ask people what they would like to see in your product. See if you can make that happen. Don’t give up, just make the necessary changes and get back in that line!!! I NEVER said quit.

posted July 09, 2008 08:29 (
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My daughter for a couple years now is bent on inventing Flubber. Yes Flubber, from the fictitious movie about a kooky scientist who concocts some form of super putty that makes things mysteriously weightless.

Now what am I to say to that. Hey stupid, that was movie that millions of people have seen. For one, IT WAS A MOVIE. But more importantly, out all those millions viewers since long before you were born, do you think your the only one to be inspired by this.

I could say that. And have thought it, minus the “stupid” part.

But why smolder her little fire, a fire that one day may actually invent a real Flubber, what do I know.

Everyone has their own separate path. While in Providence (look up the various definitions of “providence” by the way), I saw hundreds of people, as I swiftly passed by the with my gold pass :) he he… anyway, I saw hundreds of people lugging their hopes and dreams in large bags and boxes. All of them looking to go to the next stage, and they did, all of them. They would not come down from that escalator without having matured in some way.

I’m pretty sure that most of the inventions were in some way intended to help mankind. So what someone comes up with an incandescent light bulb, or a wireless telephone. In their world they were making a contribution. If the rest of the world doesn’t need what they have made then it will reject it, but they don’t need that from us.

Maybe one day martians will take over us, being that they have no use for any of our archaic technology. And as the song says, “we’ll make great pets”.

posted July 09, 2008 08:29 (
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You may say I’m being harsh or real…but it is tough love that comes from experience.

Ben,

Telling your daughter to keep pursuing flubber…same dilemma as in telling her there’s no Santa, it has to be done gently.

Let’s not confuse childhood ignorance with adulthood irresponsibility.

posted July 09, 2008 08:39 (
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I wouldn’t want to crush all of their dreams either. It’s nice to dream, but why not direct your daughter in another direction without her even knowing it? Start her on to something that you know really might work. Let her continue with her flubber and also work on something with you? Then eventually she might lose the flubber and put all her forces into the real project? Just a suggestion.

It was too late at that point for all those people in line to say something to them then. I would have walked by them too and let them have their 5 minutes of fame. I’m not a dream crusher.

But if someone does trust you enough to show you their invention and ask you your opnion, don’t just say “it’s great” because that’s not helping them at all. Tell them your honest opinion, let them make the changes – that’s how you help someone realize their dream, be honest please!

posted July 09, 2008 08:44 (
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“Telling your daughter to keep pursuing flubber…same dilemma as in telling her there’s no Santa, it has to be done gently.”

Is incorrect. Maybe if lived in Somalia where food was scarce, I’d might question her motives for developing something that one serve our most basic need. But this is a Amercian baby, wooooo.

1) You nor I can prove that it’s not possible. Nanotechnology is on the rise. Who knows what will happen when we integrate it with some sort of algae like substance, and then tap into the earths magnetic field by forming ionic clusters within the matter. You don’t know that. And obviously, neither do I.

2) Who knows what she will find on the way the “Flubber”?
How many inventors became famous for things that they initially did not set out to do. Why you probably wouldn’t even be here if Columbus didn’t have the hankering for some curry chicken.

Beware of all extremes, people on both sides of the road wear blinders.

posted July 09, 2008 09:02 (
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I’ll add that in my experience both as a designer and a teacher, the most learning comes from failure. I was taught structures. Theories and math. I designed and built a chair, won a national award for it, yet my grandfather architect refused to sit in it. “It will break” he insisted. I was positive it wouldn’t. No judge or critic other than my grandfather mentioned the chance of failure. Three years later that chair failed. Immediately I understood what my grandfather had understood all along. In the way it failed I could picture those abstract structural diagrams, the changing qualities of wood as it ages, and the 4th degree of designs (how they change over time) that I have since made my personal theme. Every failure since I enjoy as they reveal more about the nature of the problem. It’s worth a few prototypes just to better understand the physics or function required to solve the problem in a great way.

posted July 09, 2008 09:04 (
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who said that I don’t, Tricey.

She doesn’t have her own personal lab, so the “Flubber” thing will have to wait for a while. But I brought her with me to Providence, she actually went in the studio before the three judges with me.

She has a lego mindstorm that we build things with, … broken english… projects with your classic childrens science book.

posted July 09, 2008 09:06 (
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Benny, I don’t know if it’s just me or not, but I have a hard time understanding your sentences because of how you word things. Do you speak broken English or are you just typing too fast? I’m being serious. “she action went in the studio” "and do very projects with " …what the???

posted July 09, 2008 09:09 (
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sorry.

typing fast.

edited.

posted July 09, 2008 09:14 (
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There is no gentle way to say “stupid”.

posted July 09, 2008 09:16 (
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OK Ben,

You made an excellent point. If I was you I’d begin teaching your daughter about the two elements of flubber – the nano-tech side and the antigravity side.

They are two different realms of research but equally fascinating.

teach her about “gray goo”, the BLOB made real.

make some non-newtonian fluids out of cornstarch and elmers glue toss it on a speaker:

Go to www.americanantigravity.com and show her lifters:

posted July 09, 2008 09:16 (
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That goo is some freaky stuff!
I must try it!

posted July 09, 2008 09:28 (
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Now that I think about it…WHAT IF…you were to toss in some silica dust and magnetite dust into the non-newtonian fluid, put it in a balloon with a vibrating thingy and foam it up with some air…

You may get some weird piezo/magnetic AG field effect, or a really cool flubber-like morphing ball of fun – do not taunt happy fun ball!

posted July 09, 2008 09:36 (
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Hey Matt,
A couple of years ago I conducted experiments with non-newtonian fluids (cornstarch & H2O) and their behavioral characteristics while under the influence of electrical currents.
My results were unsuccessful. I observed no change in the fluids structure. I was trying to get the molecules to react to electrical energy rather than physical energy. Can you see any reason why this will not work. Thanks for your time Matt.

posted July 09, 2008 09:39 (
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Jefferson,

add some silica dust, Piezoelectricity is the basis of transducers, vibrations into electricity and vice versa, try using salt water as that is conductive.

posted July 09, 2008 09:47 (
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Wow,

Talk about changing your tune.

By the way cool post, Matt. I see that you have not totally succumbed to the dark side.

Though I don’t want you to be like that pansy c-3po either.

posted July 09, 2008 09:47 (
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You guy’s are way to smart for me. I can’t even pronounce most of what you are talking about…Trent

posted July 09, 2008 09:50 (
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Jefferson Brooks
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Thanks for the info. Matt.

posted July 09, 2008 09:52 (
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Julie,

I met a fella in line who said that the swiveling baby safety seat was being marketed in Europe. That one was a true innovation and deserves to be on the shelves.

posted July 09, 2008 09:54 (
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I thought the bike thing was cool, a little unsafe, but useful to some.

Season 2 was horrible.

The tree angel thing. Are you kidding me!

I’m not saying it’s a dumb I idea, but I’d like to see them try to mass market that.

posted July 09, 2008 10:24 (
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We should start an American Inventor hate forum.

Bunch bitter American Inventor rejects complaining about a show which most of the contestants lost credibility as inventors the further they advanced.

Justification: Make sure they never air trash like that again.

posted July 09, 2008 10:28 (
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Hi Julie, I watched that other show, and I had waited for it to air anxiously. When I watched it, sure, it had funny moments. It even had sad moments. Those poor inventors who were duped or truly believed they were being lied to when they were told their product already existed. I looked up the entry requirements and when I saw the little blurb about allowing them freedom to edit your appearance in any way they wanted, I thought…“Wow, I couldn’t handle being made an !@# out of in front of God only knows who that may have not seen me in quite some time.” lol. I did follow the first show’s winners’ products for quite some time….never did find them anywhere. While I did believe in the egg-shaped spherical car safety seat due to the passion and pain that caused the inventor to come up with it, I could never figure out how it would work – currently having kids/infants….At that time, my baby was big enough at merely months old to have outgrown his infant carrier – stage 1 of the seats – and even THAT seat meant you had to push the front seat up far enough to accommomdate it to where MY knees were in the dashboard and I was sitting much closer to the airbag than I would have liked. I thought “What about the rest of the kids?” If I’m going to care “less” about their safety after 6 weeks of age, why bother prior to 6 weeks? kwim? There was just no way in my opinion to make that thing big enough to accommodate children as they grew. The other question I had about that one was "What on earth would happen to the child’s arms, hands, or feet should they be sticking outside of the realm of the egg shape? That seat would have to be sooo huge to accommodate the risks involved that I didn’t see it being feasible, priced reasonably, compact enough, or even practical. I know why people voted for it though — the same reason they voted for the angel topper X-mas tree fire stopper deal. I liked the way they showed so much of the process, from talks, designs, test marketing, etc. though.

posted July 09, 2008 12:34 (
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I make DAMN SURE I NEVER knock down ANYONE’S invention or mental capacities.

I give GREAT credit to anyone that pursues bringing a product to market WHETHER IT MAKES IT OR NOT OR IF IT HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE and they don’t realize.

Some people do not have the brains to come up with a winning product but I DO AND HAVE NOT A DAMN THING OVER SOMEONE ELSE THAT HAS TRIED JUST AS HARD. In fact, I give more credit to those that have a tougher time in creativity than I would give myself.

Moreover, I don’t care if you take “the whole ride” of bringing a product to market with a bag of shit and FAIL. You will learn the road for next time and will make it that much further next time.

Bringing a successful product to market IS ALL LUCK!!!!!!!! Trust me, if anyone knows I DO!!!!

If you have been blessed with more brain cells than the next guy to come up with a winning idea…YOU SHOULD NEVER DOWNGRADE THOSE WHO ARE TRYING AND COME UP WITH A NOT SO GOOD IDEA OR EVEN BAD….or else…fate works in strange ways….that will be YOU next time with the bad idea.

RESPECT ALL THAT TRY IN THIS INVENTING BUSINESS…they are the elite do-ers…make it or not; ALL should be respected and pretty much the same. It does not matter who is better or bigger because after we all try our hardest…it comes down to LUCK…the person that has a born edge in brains sometimes…some don’t…and I respect them just as much.

Do not knock down other’s ideas. Very bad for your success. People will see your obnoxiousness without you speaking and you will be left with nothing to do but stick your invention up your ass.

I will help anyone with an invention idea because that is how I will pay back for my LUCKY opportunity. Don’t knock the bad ideas…consider them practice which we ALL have done.

Ron Komorowski
Inventor of Handi-Straps
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posted July 09, 2008 15:34 (
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Ron,
Words to live by my friend, well said. You are a scholar and a gentleman.

posted July 09, 2008 15:42 (
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Amen brother! My point exactly!!!

posted July 09, 2008 16:30 (
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Everything I’ve gone through has been one of the greatest thrills of my life. God bless all the inventors filled with passion and dreams, may they never die!

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I think it is a good thing when people feel free in commenting on someone else’s idea generally. It might be taken personal, but every “negative” comment is an indicator of what you might face, might need to address, or might need to prepare for in marketing, etc. If someone is saying “Why would I need that? I don’t mind the already existing model.”, then they aren’t going to be a consumer, but if someone says “That looks way too difficult to use.”, then maybe those thoughts could be cut short with a smooth marketing package addressing the issue right off the bat. Even a “That’s stupid” or “That makes no sense because….” should be viewed as a “How can I address this?” or a “Can I convert these people into believers?” moment. I know I was tracking one invention in particular, as far as how many times it was appearing on searches for various terms….came across a blog with some negative comments about it — claiming it didn’t “save the world”, when that was never the inventor’s intentions or claims, and to which I could clearly even see, despite me not liking the product enough to buy myself. I think you can tell when someone is just looking for a reason to not like something and when they just really don’t. You can’t please everyone, but you can sure try if you’re up for it. lol.

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Chris…I don’t know how much experience you have in the inventor’s world…I don’t know you.

I will tell you this, it is a bitch and the reason why is because people will generally knock your dream down out of either jealousy or you strive over and above taking a shot and they are not or they just don’t want you to hit the big time because they will look down upon themselves. they don’t even know that they will…it is in their subconscious mind and this is why the inventor gets pounced…ALL of them.

From Bill Gates to Einstein to Henry Ford. All thought as lunatics with crazy ideas. They put the inventor of anestesia in jail for a year for trying to kill people so they thought. A U.S. President once said “It is ridiculous to think the motor car will replace the horse and buggy”

This is the mentality and the opposition the inventor must and will face. Einstein was quoted as saying, “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds”

REAL inventors know the opposition and how just about EVERYREAL invention (not little innovation) has taken a bashing from the general public. Therefore, as a real inventor he should not jump on the bashing and support a fellow inventor as REAL inventors know that REAL inventors come up with ideas that SUCK sometimes, but we don’t need to be ridiculed and especially in a highly public place like here.

You do not know who is watching this forum. I will tell you there are people. Could be news, TV shows, large companies and besides Louis and his team has put hard work into this place and no one needs to act in a derogatory manner especially if it is towards others that presented to an Edison Nation event, who would be in a sense customers of EN.

I highly respect and appreciate Edison Nation and it’s founders. I am grateful…and because of that, if I should hear of inventor bashing on here I will try to trip them up or I will leave. You don’t want all the good people trying to help each other to leave over inventor bashing and other stupidity.

Ya know, my invention Handi-Straps is MAGICAL. After conception 10 years ago I am still stunned every time I use it. I can’t explain why it works like magic. I am baffled. I have about 1500 hands on believers out there but probably half the general population thinks it might be a scam and all bull. This is what the inventor faces and it is not easy, it is a BATTLE to overcome.

So a TRUE inventor should never bash someone trying with their idea. Constructive criticism, great but not vicious or hurtful comments.

Mathew is a smart guy. I can tell. He may have certain intelligence above most others and it may be incomplete and that is why he hasn’t made the big time so far. I know, I am one of those types of people. My quote, “Brilliance can see genius, an idiot sees a nut” The general public does not hold exceptional intelligence high where it belongs because they can’t comprehend in the first place.

I know Mathew has some serious intelligence that many here might not understand, but he knows better than to take a swipe at other’s ideas after all their effort they put in. That is not what anything about Edison Nation stands for…I do know that.

Ron Komorowski
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posted July 09, 2008 21:36 (
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HOOOOOOORaaaaaaaaY!!!!!!
Great answer Ron. You are a real decent human
being. I am looking forward to knowing you further in the future. I just started on this
forum in the past week. I am enjoying all the
intelligent answers and facts I am learning from these inventors here at Edison Nation.

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Ron is cool isn’t he. He knows his stuff and he stands up for what he believes in.

No one should be made fun of for trying to do something positive with their life.

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Oh, I’m with you there Ron. I love reading your posts. I thought you may have thought I was bashing someone else’s idea when I was merely saying I didn’t “get it” and the reasons why I didn’t get it. I was also talking about that “other” show and the winners in response to another post about the results of participating/winning. I didn’t realize you were reacting to Mathew’s post because your’s appeared just after mine. lol. I was making somewhat of a point with the “I think you can tell when someone is trying to find a reason to not like someone’s invention and when they simply really don’t.”

I’ve considered myself a closet inventor for close to 15 years now, filing away ideas that I could never afford to bring to market UNTIL I hit upon one that I COULD. Not everyone is going to like my invention. I am prepared for that, but when it comes to my invention, I will be looking at the comments that will be made about it as an opportunity. I am prepared for some heavy frustration. All I know is that I made this thing, I used it, it saved me time and energy, etc. I’ve been using it ever since with great benefits, and I know I am not alone in the frustration that brought my product to life—the same reason that makes others invent. Some people may never get “it.” It is a new product all on its own – something nobody has seen before – a new approach – something that may look more difficult to use than it is – something that will require a brief demonstration — the hardest to “sell.” I can tell that you would agree, however, that inventor’s need to not take every comment made personally, which is in and of itself, a very difficult thing to do, but the more they are told, hear, or read that they shouldn’t and that not everyone is going to be “on board” is a plus in preparing them for the fact this will occur.

posted July 09, 2008 22:32 (
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In my defense, I reread my post…I don’t think I criticize the inventing spirit, only the lack of introspection and due diligence.

I can talk S*** about the other show because of its format and humiliating exploitation of the wackier among us.

But I will outright state, that the one inventor who presented a STICK as a RUBBER GLOVE FINGER INVERTER is TOTALLY STUPID and probably needed his bubble burst in a HARSH MANNER for the benefit of his mind and humanity.

What this thread seems to be getting at is something the EE folks already know and practice, honest but gentle, forward and factual…

I know when it gets delusional because I’ve seen things work in my mind – CONVINCED – it would work only to be disappointed when I didn’t get it to work. At the same time I claim OUTRAGEOUS things that to me are not because I’ve spent years studying stuff the arbiters of consensus reality haven’t, their criticism is unfounded and i let their doubt roll of me.

If an inventor can’t take criticism and rejection, can’t take a good hard look into themselves and their IP, they will never find the resolve and wisdom to make it happen – the follow through Louis mentions so often.

posted July 10, 2008 04:31 (
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Rafael Avila
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I agree with the concept that it’s probably not a good idea to submit entries on a whim. But then again, it may be a bit presumptuous of us to callously assert that every invention needs significant introspection and due diligence as a prerequisit for success. Who are we to set limits around the genius of another’s innovation/inspiration? It kind of reminds me of Mozart. That guy Salieri (Sp?) went stark raving loony at the idea that Mozart could apparently create works of genius on a whim, while mere mortals needed to spend years, honing and refining their compositions. Who’s to say there aren’t other Mozarts out there in the invention game? Then there are the one hit wonders. Sometimes a person just conjures up fantastic ideas. I personally know of one man who never researches a thing and never files for patents (until recently anyway). He uses an educated guess and shotgun approach. And now he owns a business with hundreds of employees and many millions in global sales. Yes due dilligence will help you hone in on the potential succeses and weed out the losers. But, as much as it pains me to say, its not the only way to reach success.

posted July 10, 2008 04:47 (
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I’ve studied and participated like religously in the inventor’s world for 20 years now. Not only inventing but innovation which can be new packaging for a product that makes the product’s success.

Us inventors are VERY special people…really above the general public; succeed or fail because we are not fat asses watching TV and watching the “world turn” No, we want to be part of it and help the world turn; a rare contributing breed we are, and this is our drive, not the money that we think. Deep down this is our drive and most don’t even realize.

The one problem is a good percentage of inventors or people that have not invented anything successful but call themselves inventors for some reason; knock each other down like they are trying to get one spot on the “inventor team”

In my inventors group for one example, everyone evaluates others ideas and it is mostly negative like it is some competition.

Shutup about others, worry about yourself and respect all those trying to contribute to the world. Some ideas are worthless, but these are people trying just the same as I am and may not be capable and even Edison and Einstein came up with worthless ideas.

Creativity is a great gift. Some want it and can’t have it but they still try and if they keep trying they may be able to come up with something successful.

Mathew, an idea does not have to be original, it can be improved with the raw components. Look at a counter top. The materials change every year. Maybe these shovels you talk of are a different material. VERY FEW ideas on the shelves are patentable. It does not have to be patentable to make money or be successful.

Also…Mathew…I am in the industrial safety business pulled in further by my manufacturer. Those gloves you speak of, I know alot about gloves used in industrial. Some are used in acids and other harmful chemicals. A stick sort of is necessary to fix the fingers.

If you are going to put your mouth on these gloves after they touched chemicals to blow back to shape please let me know. I will call an ambulance for you.

People jump to conclusions of other people’s inventions all the time. Like in 40 seconds they will tell an inventor all they are doing wrong after they have years of intense thought on it.

So many have come to me that have no experience and think they solved all my problems and I am doing all wrong in 30 seconds flat. Little do they know.

The inventor of Velcro could not find a manufacturer that had any use for it at all for 10 years. They thought the invention was useless and a waste of effort and time.

Mathew, if you would like to hold yourself in a professional manner and to be respected and valued, never knock down anyone unless it is YOUR JOB. If you do others will see and think if they have “dealings” with you, you could become defiant to them.

Last…what an idiot the inventor of the Pet Rock must have been hah? We could say that and I will only because it’s obviously false.

I will mention no names. There was a lady all know was NUTS. She used to find all WACKY objects to curl her hair. She had one good idea amoung many instances of insanity or so people called her. She licensed this curler and made a total of 80 million in royalties. Who’s nuts?

In the inventors world most creativity teters back and forth right next to insanity and absurd but possible genius. Or is this the way the general public views as they don’t understand.

Worry about your own inventions and just encourage others so you can both help each other and network. An invention CAN NOT be successful without networking and making friends.

Ron Komorowski
Inventor of Handi-Straps
www.handi-straps.com

posted July 10, 2008 07:33 (
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Mathew Whitney
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No Ron,

I will not encourage others to try to market a stick, I will point out that there is no market, their invention is already on the market, there is no room for improvement etc,…

What differentiates tough love/constructive criticism from bashing is the tone. The folks at EE have a tough job of doing all the above with tact. I have the luxury of sitting on my couch and wishing I was Bugs Bunny.

If it was my job to evaluate inventions all day I’d develop a sketchpad manner as the EE staff have done. Trust me, I’m just as critical of things that pop into my mind. I’m not just poo-pooing out of displacement, I would try to find a way as well; heck man, I went from poo-pooing Flubber to trying to invent it myself within a 5 minute span!

You want to split hairs?

“Those gloves you speak of, I know alot about gloves used in industrial.”

Those gloves are not the gloves I mentioned, I’m talking about latex gloves that go up past the wrist, the ones that guy demonstrated his stick with. In restaurants the sinks are deep, you reach down to get something, they fill up with water so they are sticky when you pull them off. Even if they went up to the armpits sweat has the same effect.

What is my boss going to think if the waitresses need spoons, the chef needs carrots prepped and I’m sitting there for 2 minutes pushing my glove fingers back to…?

I went to an industrial kitchen supply store to find cloth lined gloves that went up to the elbow, I tried them out, and they were too thick to properly grasp dishes and silverware…so I learned how to just deal with scalding water and bleach.

All inventors need to learn how to just deal with criticism whether its hateful bashing or tough love.

If you can’t take the heat…

posted July 10, 2008 08:38 (
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OMG! My stomach hurts…I am going to get fired! I am laughing so loud they can hear me outside my office :)

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