Hi Carrie, I started another forum before I read yours but I think they will kind of go hand-in-hand: let’s see where this all goes.

Although there are many places you can get information about developing products for retail, The best places are those that have professionals in the industry who are willing to give advice to novice inventors.

Here on EN you find some of that, however from a reading about these issues, and asking specific questions of people who do this for a living you may want to log onto The Inventor’s Mentors Library, you can ask questions, read through hundreds of questions and answers on hundreds of inventor related topics and it’s totally FREE.

http://theinventorsmentors.forumo.biz/forum.htm

I’m sure many of the folks here on EN have used the library and woudl be happy to give a little feedback.

Thanks, Mark. I actually joined the inventorsmentors forum this weekend. It is a great resouce! I’m looking forward to using it to “do my homework” as you all say. I am a bit shy when it comes to asking guestions; this is my first real exercise in putting myself out there. Hopefully you’ll be seeing more of me over there soon.

HEY MARK…I like you…and always respected your knowledge. You don’t know it all but you know your particular field.

Mark…i find it PISS POOR that you lure people off this forum which the Edison Nation people work very HARD to build….you try to recruit their customers to your forum…BAD ETHICS. You did the same thing at Inventright forum…pulled YOUR experts off the Inventright and Edison Nation forum!!!

THEN you try to take their inventions from the people off the forums and license them or manage their inventions or whatever.

Who am I to say anything? Well…I’m one of the experts here, one of many that can teach these people just fine. they do not need your forum over this one as you just claimed. That statement was the second MAJOR shot you took at this place in two days! The other telling people that EN is just an invention broker not helping with development.

What do you wish to do? We all talk here and enjoy the company. Do you want to wreck that?

See…it’s like this Mark. If this place was a restaurant YOU started…Edison’s hamburgers let’s say…and I walk in and tell all your customers at the table to get up and come to my hamburger place…it’s better, these hamburgers suck here…whatever…wouldn’t I be a real unethical piece of shit and could not be trusted for doing something so low to another man’s business where he feeds his family with?

Your messed up man…now you come here more than once a week to just promote your forum and I KNOW you have lured many of Edison Nation’s customers over to your business. That is being a terrible parasite. Very sleezy in business too.

Why don’t you find your own stand for your business you made to directly compete with Inventright and Edison Nation. You just try to lure all the members they recruited. Do your own advertising and recruitment!!! Make YOUR OWN stand and platform!!!!!!

Mark…sorry..I’ve even talked to you for advice before…but what your doing now is like robbing people’s houses…..AND TRYING TO DESTROY their credibility. It’s like trying to burn another man’s business down in the middle of the night. What are you doing? You KNOW better.

This is the reason why I would not be one of your mentors on your forum as you asked as you pulled many off this forum like you wanted to do with me to be one of your mentors.

Why don’t you go now and build yourself your own RESPECTABLE business from your own efforts, not taking the customers that others have worked very hard to get.

Sorry Mark…I respect you…but what you are doing recruiting everyone from everyone else’s forum is so very unethical and my advice to you, people will NEVER trust you if you do that.

RESPECT OTHER PEOPLE’S PLACE OF BUSINESS! Do you know I would NEVER recommend a competing company to people here as a matter of ethics. I WILL NOT help anyone with commercial placement of their invention unless Edison Nation is done with their customer via their review process…and even then it’s only been a few.

At this forum there are many experts, Inventors Digest, a professional product development company called Enventys, the founder here Louis Foreman has a book just published for inventors….there is plenty.

If you have the knowledge go write a book….put up the investment like Louis did…MILLIONS to build this whole operation mind you. To come here and try to take his customers is like mugging him. I just think that is wrong and ALL we stand up to fight for in this field…..people ripping off others.

Also…ALL your mentors were just inventors like us and some don’t even have any big deals ever….so what living are you talking about???

Ron save the lecture please – I’m not asking anyone to move away from EN – in fact, the information they gain from other sites like the Inventor’s Library will help them send much better ideas to EN, that helps both the inventor and EN.

Frankly I take your comment about me looking for inventors to license from humorous and insulting. You know me far better than that Ron and so do most people on here. I suggest you find out the facts before you start throwing around baseless claims.

Please Ron, although I respect your drive and motivation as an inventor – you don’t do this for a living and you don’t have a single product in mass retail. So watch that “Expert” thing please. Not that having retail products makes anyone an expert – me included – but making a living off the products you develop does tend to focus you and provide a lot of information.

I don’t want to get you riled up Ron, just understand that my goal has always been to provide accurate information to inventors about the industry and in fact their chances of success before they spend money they may or may not have. In my humble opinion the only people who have a problem with that are those who in some way want to make money off people who may not know any better.

And just to clarify Ron, you are not a Mentor on that Library because we didn’t ask you to be.

I think inventors mentors is a valuable resource for inventors and Mark as well as others give good information on that site. Just because i eat at Toco Bell Once in a while doesn’t mean I shouldn’t also be able to go to Burger King.I don’t know what your problem is Ron but you definatly have a problem and attacking Mark for trying to help people really sucks! Take a pill Ron!

LIAR…you called my house plenty of times asking me to be a mentor!!!!!!!! When you first had the thought to build it!

You asked ALL the very top people on these forums to help you build your own website and whatever else plans you have.

Mark…I have no time to play in the gutter with you. Knock me down all you want. Your not even worth explaining to who I really am and what I do.

I do know this. I won’t watch you come here again to try and “strip” this forum again like you are trying to do…every post your own self promotion of a competing operation to EN. I KNOW you have also lured people off EN’s product searches and you have taken up business with them. I have listened to you now in the past two days bash ALL operations here as being inferior to all of yours.

I just can’t witness an attempted “mugging” like that. IT IS HIGHLY IMMORAL, UNETHICAL AND QUITE DISGUSTING!

We blasted some girls here for doing that….remember? They trird yo make their own invention companies and blogs…THEN YOU WENT AND DID THE SAME THING!

Look man…much luck to ya…help who you wish if that is what you want to do but don’t do it inside another man’s place of business. That’s just so bad. I have told all the people that run this place about these threads. If I am wrong they will tell me I’m sure.

Ron, all I’m going to say is I have never collected a red cent from an inventor on this or any other site. If you can find one, I would be happy to see it. I don’t have a company that works with inventors and although I do work with inventors when I have used my company to help them I am the one who puts up the money.

I don’t run a site like EN, I don’t even run the library site, or any other site for that matter. I just try to keep people from being taken advantage of and spending money on ideas that will never work in retail.
How do I know they will never work – it’s what I do for a living Ron, 70 hours a week, I develop products, work with factories, contact buyers, look at samples and yes – talk to inventors.

And please don’t call me names Ron, you sound like a little girl.

Karl….your not here long enough to know or in this field long enough to know what happens.

There is also another guy contacting people here privately trying to take Edison Nation’s customers.

As far as Taco Bell Karl…if another taco restaurant went into their restaurant and said come to my taco restaurant instead….wouldn’t you expect them to get beat up?

Karl…how about if I go to your job and tell your boss you suck….I’ll work harder…give me your job. Would that be ok?

You don’t know Karl…you haven’t been hanging around the sometimes unscrupulous behavior in this field.

Mark has a WONDERFUL business to be respected for making product displays and other parts for stuff etc. He deserves all the praise he can get if he promotes himself on a fair playing field like legitimate advertising. Advertise all day in Inventors Digest…but don’t knock others down either.

Back off Karl…me and Mark know each other for a couple years and argue too….this arguement will probably help him. You just don’t know…you are new. Some people have a long history on this forum like Mark and I

It is nice that that this post keeps getting a bump, but can we get back to my questions? As my first attempt at putting my questions out there, this is not going so great.

I have to say that I learned what I did because I went to all the sites and pulled from it any information that I could. Even if it was one small thing, it was worth all the reading. I started in Inventorspot. EN didn’t steal me from there. And I did not learn all of what I know, so far, from EN. I also read Inventright and many other forums.
The more information out there for inventors, the less likely they are to be ripped off and more likely they are to succeed.
We have a library, for reading information. All about inventing. Ask a question if you like. Not for chatting, arguing or discussing non inventing related topics. Which includes name calling ;-)

By the way, I started the site and Mark helped to develop it into what I imagined it should be. He is an amazing mentor and I consider myself very lucky, as a student in the industry and as a person who has found a good friend. I wanted, actually…I NEEDED a place where I felt comfortable.

I knew there would be others out there like me and wanted to help. I work 40 plus hours a week on inventing and want a specific type of information available to me when I need it.

Like Karl says. He should be able to go to Burger King :-) and without feeling bad about it.

Tanya Rheinhart

She was a dedicated forum member here and a customer of Edison Nation which Edison Nation paid money to build a business (millions invested) to attract her here.

She was a regular here. You got her to build your Inventormentors website, she says you licensed her invention (which don’t mean much sometimes)…and now we really only see her here when she promotes you or your “story”

NOTHING against Tania…I like her and this forum misses her spirit and her as a person. We miss her because you have lured her over to your forum which as I see is not doing well at all….in fact dead. Which I don’t wish on you or anyone in this field.

Mark…just do the right thing. You want to advertise here then go take an ad in Inventors Digest. I am SURE you would do well AND I would recommend you as a MANUFACTURING EXPERT…because of the amazing product displays you build.

OK…enough now…if you don’t see a problem with ethics here…then I can’t explain anymore. You are good enough where you don’t have to advertise unethically on someone else’s property.

All your mentors come from two forums you used to frequent but that is the way it is, I could NEVER do that to another person’s forum but you just can’t own anyone either.

Hi Tania….hope all is well…that is great! Good for you, but Mark has been coming here once a week to only advertise his own forum.

Mark used to spend SERIOUS amounts of time here.

I just think that is cheap and unethical. Go take an ad out at Inventors Digest. They need the advertising dollars and it is the fair arena for that.

DAMN…in a field where KNOCKOFFS are the disease, WE SHOULD ALL UNDERSTAND!

Excuse me…I just have RESPECT for another man’s place of business and won’t try to take him out by a cheap shot at the knees.

Also, many contribute to this forum to build it up, to have a community to hang out with. I can’t see where it is ethical for someone to deliberately come and take away it’s members by calling this place inferior which it is NOT.

And wait a minute…you said Mark licensed your invention from you many times….now Mark says he does not make a red cent off any inventor and does not make any money off inventors for any reason.

Which is it? I don’t care…you know I wish you both GREAT success which you both deserve and would have earned because of your dedication in this field….but which is it? You have stated many times here on this forum that Mark is a manufacturer and Mark licensed your invention.

Hey Carrie,

You have a lot of questions LOL ;-)

A lot of the answers are in here… somewhere :-)
I know when I started I think I was reading so much when all I wanted to do was get to the fun part.

Over a year later, I’m still reading, but having fun also…finally.
I wondered the same …how do I know when I have gone far enough and need help. I guess when you find yourself going in circles, repeating what you have already done, then it’s time to move forward with some help.
Is there a local business that works with the same materials you’re using? When I needed some things done, I went to the industrial paints and plastics shop. Although they didn’t advertise that they make molds and can build prototypes, I asked them and they said they could. This could be a good place to begin. If they don’t, aslk them where they think you should ask next. Welding shops etc. A lot of people can do these things and help, but don’t charge like a prototyping place ;-)

Always make sure you have the proper paperwork in place before getting help. Even when working with artists, designers and graphic artists on sell sheets. People don’t mind signing these things…it’s all business :-)

Things begin to fall into place and make sense over time.

hope that helps a little.

Whatever…it just goes like this…

I met the founders of this whole operation a few years ago. Louis Foreman and Michael Cable. They BOTH tried to help promote me and my invention after they knew I was doing all business on my own. They still supported and helped me NUMEROUS times.

That says alot about a man. I just can’t witness any direct attempt to rip down what those men have built by going to their place of business and trying to take their customers out of their place of business and over to their own.

I believe business is a beautiful thing, a great competition and challenge to be ENJOYED….enjoy your success…but play the game with ethics.

Tiffany Moore at Inventors Digest takes care of all the advertising. Very nice girl, I am sure she will give a good deal.

I must say..I have enjoyed and learned much from Mark’s posts in years passed myself. We all teach each other here. His business of making things surely deserves being in Inventors Digest and I recommend him for plastic displays for people’s inventions or vehicle wraps to advertise. I do not know much more than that about the other operations so no comment can be accurate…I just don’t know.

Thanks, Tania. Yes, that helps.

Hey Ron,

I was actually a member on InventorSpot until Jason G posted an invention submission on the forum over there and I followed the link. Then I came to EN. Never heard of them before that day. So no advertising dollars went to waste on me. EN should be thanking Jason for spamming another site LOL (just teasing ya Jason)

The mentors library is not meant to be ‘hopping’ with chatter, it’s a library full of information to read :-) That was its intention from the start. It will always be there when people want information.

Carrie~ I’m so sorry this disrespect found your thread. I’m now bowing out :-)
Take care.

Was Jason promoting his own directly competing invention forum and invention service business?

NO!

Listen…Mark bashed two regulars here for MONTHS on promoting their own competing invention service.

Mark knows better because he said so. I am sure this conversation will bring Mark to the next level of promoting his business in a better proper way.

Did EN ever go promote themselves over at anyone else’s forum? NO!!!!!! I heard they have 5 million dollars invested in this entire operation.

5 MILLION….to help inventors become rich and famous like Micheal with Emery Cat which from what I see, EN brought his original invention a VERY long way and changed much of it.

Ya know what…I respect that theu give me a place to “play” here….at their cost of 5 million. I just would never do anything to hurt those guys over here.

Mark has to stop advertising his competing forum over here with every post which is ONLY about his forum.

Tania!!!! Your a good person!!!! Where do you see that is not wrong???

I HOPE Mark stays here once in a while when he has time to say hello and socialize…this forum is a better place no doubt when he does that….and don’t knock down the credibility of this forum!!!! ANYTHING you want to know about the inventing world is covered in back threads here….we got a library right here….years running now

Carrie,Sorry if I detracted from your topic by getting into a tiff with Ron I’ll just hold my tounge on that subject. On the other hand there is a great deal of valuable advice to be found on inventors mentors site so I am glad you have gone there to see whats available.

I am quite sure there is plenty of GREAT advice over at Inventor Mentors site. Again, I have personally sought advice from Mark on my next invention and he spent atleast two hours on the phone with me.

Also keep in mind that anyone in this field can help another. A person can obtain a helpful piece of information in just one day in this field and can pass it on.

The inventor’s field is so vast with information we must know, that is why we share knowledge in communities like this. No one knows it all and we ALL contribute…even you Karl have contributed something big to us…how you sold an idea for $3500. I know you have not been in the field that long or have studied it as much as some who have for years….but we did learn from you already.

Ron you need to take a pill man….and by the way you are acting like a Girl. If you remember when you left this site and jumped over to InventRight you were bashing EN,,,Remember Ron….You told me personally on the phone the majority of the EN members were loosers and wanted to talk more about there pets and what they had for dinner rather than inventing,,,Remember Ron…..

Mark’s not bashing EN or trying to get the members to leave and go to Inventors Mentors, Where did you get that Dude. I think your affraid that members might change and you wont have anyone to ramble on and on to….
Inventors Mentors isnt a place to go talk aout your pets and what you had for dinner,it’s a place to go read and find info. If someone has questions they can ask and get answers. You suggest all the time for inventors to read books, the mentors site is somewhat of a book. The big difference between just a book and the mentors site is you can get an question answered….Can you get that with a book….Oh yeah you can because you will say you know the Author and had dinner with him/her ! Ive often wondered when you were going to tell us you worked with Thomas Edison…lol…

Ron I was asked to be a mentor on the IM forum by a few people. There was a reason I was asked and you know what the reason is. It’s my research abilitys, it’s one thing Im good at and " NO" I dont consider myself a MASTER . But Im damn good at it and it’s taken alot of yrs of practice on my part to be good. I actually told Mark & Tania I didnt think I was qualified to be a Mentor on the forum. They said Oh yeah you are theres not to many people out there that can find patents or apps as quick as you can, or narrow a search down to a small area…..Hell Ron ask Roger Brown, he told me awhile back I should get a job with the USPTO as an examiner. I thought he was joking at first but he wasnt….By the way Ron Roger’s a mentor on IM also and he was asked to be one. Ron as Mark stated you were not asked to be a Mentor on the forum because your a walking time bomb at times…It’s pretty obvious, I was told Stephen shut the InventRight forum down because of your ranting….You blew up over there also Dude.

When I was on InventRight Ron I had at least 6 EN members PM me for help. They were new members on Stephen’s site so it wasnt like I knew who they were. Some joined just to ask me for help and never even posted on the IR forum….Remember I told you about it and your comment was dont help them there just a bunch of crazy FN women from EN and there trouble….Well Im glad I didnt take your advice Ron because theres a couple of them that Im pretty proud of, hell they could tear your ass up doing a patent search after I gave them a bunch of lessons. They knew the basics on searching all I did was teach different techniques they were never told by you so called Master experts on EN… One thing Ive never heard you say Ron was that your a Master Searcher..lol
Ron all of us have different areas were good in. Your good at a few things,Roger’s good in different areas. But Mark is good in multiple areas, its what he does for a living…..Mark spends alot of his time talking to inventors, novice or advanced…I bounce things off him all the time and he does it for free. He’s actually gotten to be a real close friend of mine. I trust the guy 100% and so should you. Your affraid he’s going to steal your stage, I can assure you he dont want to……

Ron if a new person wanted to gain info on EN, how long woulod it take for them to read through the forum to find the info they needed to know……Please answer that…It would take forever by the time they got through all the dinner recipes or pet stories……I you go back and read all the threads and take out all the BS that has nothing to do with inventing there would be little to read..Thats not the case on Inventors Mentors,,,the infos there for the taking for free.

Were all on the same team and certain positions we play, it just so happens some can play more than one position. That how I feel about Mark’s knowledge….

Take a pill, have a beer and drop the motorcycle…I think all that Japaneese recycled metals squeezing your brain,..
Remember any info inventors can gain is great, it makes no difference where they get it…there room for more than 1 forum……..

I’m going to go ahead and abandon this post now and start a new thread. Sigh.

Gizmo – “acting like a girl”??? I always thought it was great thing to be a female but now you make me wonder if I made a mistake having that sex change. Darn – one more mistake!

Julie, thats cute….maybe I should of used sissy..I think Mark mentioned little girl above,,
Anyways Ron ….Mark’s not slamming EN or looking for there members to leave. Before I knew him I read most of his post and knew he wasnt just off the novice inventors boat…One thing I like about Mark is he’s straight up….if he thinks your full of it your gonna here it,,,,,,Heck he busted Derek’s chops many times in the last few weeks abut Derek charging for evaluating inventors ideas….Why didnt you jump up to the batters box before him and question Derek……..

Carrie I think its best you start a knew thread, the boys will be nice. There bladders are empty after the last pissing match…..

Julie, on another note anyone have any idea how Cotys doing…I sent him a PM awhile back to see how he was doing with the inventors journal I sent him..Hope the young mans ok and moving forward…..

Haven’t heard anything from him – will send him a note through EN.

Good one Julie. You all have fun over here. Just in case any one gets confused about gender, my friend’s 3 year old just reported that “boys have a butt in the back and a tail in the front. Girls have two butts. One in the front and one in the back.”

Let’s take a hint from Carrie and get back to the original question. Carrie, I’m sorry your thread took such an ugly turn here. I’m going to close this thread.

Mark, please read and abide by our rules before you promote your invention services, such as your jointly-developed library, in the future: http://www.edisonnation.com/forums/forum-rules/...

Thanks,
Matt