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SOC Lesson 2: By the numbers
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Businesses are run by profit and fail by loss. The balance of profit and loss is critical thus the P&L statement.

The common opinion held by industry is that inventors have no earthly clue about Business and all that means is that we don’t know the numbers. The point of this is to squelch that degrading view.

If you invent because it is fun… good for you. I am young, I would like to make inventing a way of life. Life is expensive so money is important. Roger talks about having realistic expectations. How can you have expectations if you don’t have goals? How can you have goals without knowing how to get there?

How do you define sucess? Is it a lifestyle? Is it a number? Is it the things that you want? Is it raising a good family and making sure your children attend good colleges? Is it traveling? Is it investing? No matter what you do, there are numbers that work and numbers that don’t.

For some people, numbers tell a story and are the critical factor in communicating. For others, the numbers are daunting and or super impressive. The fact is that numbers make the world go round. Assets minus liabilities, plain and simple.

This thread may not go anywhere… The last thing I am looking to do is create a fight. This is simply unemotional mathematics in story format…

First I would like to bring the P&L statement up.

If I am producing 10,000 “Things” per month and 80% of those sell per month for $100 each and my production cost is 20%. How long before I can buy my dream car for $100,000? Does this question even give enough information to enable a serious answer?

posted September 01, 2011 08:18 (
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A while back, someone here in the threads introduced us to spokeo (http://www.edisonnation.com/posts?q=spokeo&..., now THAT’S really scary.

posted September 07, 2011 07:35 (
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The sad part is that you don’t see how weird that is.

posted September 07, 2011 06:53 (
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This is all I said: I’m sending Clarissa a sympathy card.

And you responded: LOL… She has a limited view on the world. Very rigid and traditional… That would be an interesting addition to this. You should be sympathetic to her. Then I will send you the letter that says she regrets her decission. That is a can of worms that is, quite frankly, quite personal. Very intrusive, shame on you!

You certainly seem to have issues with someone named Clarissa so I assumed that it was your wife. Perhaps I assumed incorrectly. I haven’t looked into your personal information beyond finding a Clarissa with your last name in Naples – found on Linked In.

posted September 06, 2011 19:20 (
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I never said anything about her being my wife, You did. You are probably untraceable traveling in your camper just being slimy and weird from town to town all miserable and lonely. I would like you to stop looking up my personal information. You are skeeving me, bad.

posted September 06, 2011 18:04 (
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I didn’t know Clarissa was/is your wife until you told us all that she was. Sending a sympathy card to a Clarissa might have had people asking who she was but I never would have said she was your wife because I didn’t know – I just guessed. If you want to be angry with someone, be angry with yourself – you just couldn’t stand not attacking me so you verified that I had guessed correctly.

I think I will also send Marcy a sympathy card.

posted September 06, 2011 17:35 (
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That is like saying I know where you live and what your house looks like. I know where your daughter goes to school. You might as well have told me you were in my back yard and your comment had no relevance to the conversation, It is all on the internet though… Doesn’t mean you should use it in irrelvent conversation. Julie, I took that as a personal attack. You attacked my personal privacy. I said I WONT say those things. If you bring my family into it you are playing with fire. You should not be bringing any of my family into this. I won’t ignore it. It is a threat and should very much be treated as such. Scary and Wierd. 411.com puts all that information out.

posted September 06, 2011 12:47 (
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The internet can be a very valuable tool and a thorn. When you made those remarks about me, I guess you forgot what you wrote a while back: “not saying mean and disrespectful things to people”. All I did was guess that a person, with your last name and in the town where you live, might be related: you could have ignored my post, as you ignore most of them, but you just had to attack me.

posted September 06, 2011 12:09 (
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That is just probing and wierd. Inappropriate and Kinda freaky.

posted September 06, 2011 10:55 (
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It was just a wild-ars guess………..and no one else would have known if you hadn’t responded.

posted September 06, 2011 09:37 (
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LOL… She has a limited view on the world. Very rigid and traditional… That would be an interesting addition to this. You should be sympathetic to her. Then I will send you the letter that says she regrets her decission. That is a can of worms that is, quite frankly, quite personal. Very intrusive, shame on you!

Now you’re just trying to get under my skin with completely irrelevent junk. That is mean and uncalled for.
Is that why you are an old spinster? Couldn’t find a man that would marry you? Lonely and Mean?

I am reporting both of these in hopes that they remove them.

posted September 06, 2011 09:21 (
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I’m sending Clarissa a sympathy card.

posted September 06, 2011 09:01 (
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1. How has any of this hindered your ability to continue to innovate?
Until the past few posts, I feel like this has been a hostile environment. That has a negative energy and it is creativity-negative in content value. In feeling that though, I looked at my approach and saw perhaps where my essence was depleting and have changed my own tone. I feel as though within any environment that we get out what we put in. The hinderance is evident in I have not defined any new projects over this weekend which is a strange occurrence.

2. So, what is hindering you?

I think my approach was hindering me and therefore have changed my tonality. Same directive, Same objective… Different approach.

Chappy!

posted September 06, 2011 07:50 (
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Please clarify which part was not structured properly for you to understand the questions and I will rephrase them. Because I
only asked two questions in the post above.

1. How has any of this hindered your ability to continue to innovate?
2. So, what is hindering you?

To which you answered “The hinderance comes in with the energy that I have dedicated to this multi-day exchange. I am thinking though, the it will all be worth it in the end. Multiple points of view is what I need but there has to be an advance to achieving invention.”

You find these exchanges hindering your energy because we have been talking daily, yet you want others to write detailed answers breaking down every aspect of how they do something and then complain because they did not break it down far enough for you to get a pattern from it.
Or the answer just doesn’t fit the metric you think it should.

posted September 06, 2011 07:39 (
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Roger,
There are multiple lines of thought in that statement. It was not structured properly and therefore did not convey any of the points that I was trying to get across.

The hinderance comes in with the energy that I have dedicated to this multi-day exchange. I am thinking though, the it will all be worth it in the end. Multiple points of view is what I need but there has to be an advance to achieving invention.

Chris,
Thank you. It is not too basic, it is a pattern. I will look into Stephen Key’s material and give you a full response.

Chappy!

posted September 06, 2011 07:06 (
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Chappy,
Julie said " Thomas Edison said, "Hell, there are no rules here — we’re trying to accomplish something. … " couldn’t have said it better myself, old Tom."

Your response is to attack Edison’s hygiene????

“Thomas Edison had horrible hygiene as well, often going days without showering. He robbed Tesla of his intellectual property. He killed a man with X-rays and later lived to regret it. He said it was the worst thing he ever did and the only regret he had. Business, in the days when that was uttered, was not nearly as advanced as today. There are patterns. You cannot see them and that is fine. All of this has seriously hindered my ability to continue to innovate”.

How has any of this hindered your ability to continue to innovate? You constantly state how none of what we say has changed your mind that there has to be a pattern you can define and that
“There isn’t anybody on this forum or in this life that is going to conince me that things happen randomly and without meaning… Including invention. There are good practices and there are bad practices. There are methods of fulfilling requirements that are . There are practices that Roger writes about. There are principals that tie it all together. It seems that some members of this particular forum resist structure. That is interesting to me”.

So, what is hindering you? These are all just different points of view. As I have said before I post what has worked and what has not worked and it is up to the individual to decide if they want to use it or ignore it. I have multiple successes to show for my efforts so it can be seen that I must be doing something right.

posted September 06, 2011 03:51 (
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Chappy you wrote this in an above post “First, I take those segments and correlate them with my own pattern which, as you can imagine, is well defined. See what I am doing or forgetting for each of your segments. Then I make adjustments a needed. Those become trade secrets… not given up easily, but defined nonetheless.There is ALWAYS a pattern. There are many metrics to keep up with. I don’t know them all. A few successes and I will have a pattern of success”.

My question is once you have the pattern defined do you plan on sharing it with the rest of us or will that be a Trade Secret you keep?

posted September 06, 2011 03:24 (
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Chappy,

Stephen Key, a very successful inventor who has licensed many products, has 10 steps he uses to his success. They are listed below.

1. Study the Marketplace
2. Invent for the Marketplace
3. Evaluate your ideas
4. Prototype your ideas
5. Create a one sentence benefit statement
6. Create a sell sheet
7. Protect your idea
8. Making the Call to sell your Idea
9. How to cut a great deal
10. Move on to next idea.

Of course each of these steps are described in great detail. In the first 3 steps, you are looking at numbers by evaluating price points of existing products and figuring out what those manufacturing costs and price points would be for your idea. Other than that, numbers are involved when negotiating a licensing deal. To me, this template is the basis I need to get an invention licensed. Now it is up to me to create the great ideas and present them in a way to make a company go for them.

What are your thoughts on this? Do you believe that this is too basic to be a good strategy to get ideas licensed?

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There is a literal difference between random and intractable, but rarely is there a functional or pragmatic difference.

posted September 05, 2011 21:22 (
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Did someone here mention FREE WILL…??? WOW are there so many avenues to contemplate on that one !!!!!!!!!!!! here is a friend with his point of view…

keep an open mind… there is ALWAYS more than one way to get to the finale… thus the saying… there are more than one way to skin a cat…

it’s long… but a good read… apply it (BIG GRIN )

Hi everyone,I have not read all the posts on free will, but haveread through quite a few of them during the past weekor so. I know that this topic has come up quite a bitin the past, and many of my own posts have containedmuch about free will.The term “free will” is yet another one of those hardto grasp things that our human language is notadequate in articulating.In my own small world, my range of free will "seems"to be limited in scope. From my human perspective, Iam a being who is incarnated in a physical form, whichis limited in function and spatial extent, and thatexists at a particular time. With this in mind, myoptions for free will choices that I can make seem tobe limited within the the above parameters. I can makechoices about what actions I take, how I behave, whatthoughts I think, and what feelings I feel (althoughnot all the time it seems). However, there is muchthat I’m aware of (and not aware of) that seems tohappen whether or not I choose it. The only choice Ican make in regards to things “seemingly” out of mycontrol, is how I react or respond to them.We live in a world/dimension that provides us withopportunities to use our “free will” to control somethings, and only respond to other things that don’tseem to be within our control.Ever wonder what or who controls the things that seemto happen beyond our control? Are there many “freewills” at higher levels or in other dimensions that weare not aware of, and that make choices (which appearas the things that happen outside of our control)?In my opinion, since our source is of God’s essence,we are always making choices at many levels, evenchoices we are not aware of making (choices made byhigher levels of our divine essence beyond our humanawareness). Our limited human awareness is only asmall portion of our total consciousness, which existsin an infinity of levels, progressively becoming widerin extent and more aware at higher levels (all the wayup to pure all encompassing divine spirit).I envision a huge funnel, which is very wide at thetop and narrows down towards the bottom. The widestpart is the collective all, which knows all, is awareof all, and makes the highest or broadest “free will”choices. Basically, this widest portion of the funnelis God, in his/her all encompassing awareness of all(where perspectives cease to have meaning or use,since all reality and existence at every level is inthe grasp of awareness at that level). The narrowestportion of the funnel is the most limited in awarenessof its truest essence (God). Our awareness/perspectiveas human beings is probably close to this narrowestlevel. Although, we probably don’t sit at the bottomof the funnel. The smallest and most basic particlesof the universe may reside at the most narrow portion,since they are probably the least self-conscious oraware.Being in the narrow portion of the funnel ofawareness, my awareness of the choices that I (God)make at different levels is very limited. The thingsthat I’m aware of being able to choose or control as ahuman being is what I consider my range of personal"free will." However, this does not mean that I’m notmaking “free will” choices from higher, wider, or morecollective levels of myself, such as at the soul levelor higher (all the way up to the most all encompassingawareness of divine spirit). We have “free will” thatranges from the tiniest particle all the way up to thewidest totality of God’s essence. The only differencebetween the smallest particle and highest mostcollective level of God, is the degree of awareness.It is all the same substance or essence at the source.I believe that there is a very broad spectrum of “freewill” that goes from the most narrow and least aware,to the most wide and most aware (the perceptuallyundivided God level). Just because we are not aware ofwhy some things happen in our lives, doesn’t mean thatthose things were not chosen by us at some higherlevel of ourselves (beyond our limited humanconsciousness). I believe that whatever comes into ourfield of experience was chosen by us at some level,even if we cannot find any apparent connection to howwe caused the event or circumstance.Just look at everything that happens in your life,especially the things that seem to occur for
noapparent reason. We sometimes call these things goodluck occurrences or bad luck occurrences, depending onhow they affect us. However, consider the possibilitythat we choose everything that comes into our lives atsome level, even if we have no conscious awareness ofchoosing them. Even our birth into this world at acertain time, at a certain place, and into a certainset of circumstances may be choices that we made atsome higher level of ourselves. We bring thoseexperiences into our lives which are in our bestinterest, even though it may not seem that way fromour limited human perspective, which is limited intime, space, function, form, and awareness.Now with all this said, we have no way to fathom orknow certain things, at least from the humanperspective at this time. There are many questionsthat are not possible to answer at this time.Are we going to eventually evolve up into higher andwider levels of the funnel (more awareness), until wefinally surpass our need to exist in human form (andthen take on some new form at a higher level ofawareness)? Or, will there always be a human level forus to experience, with infinite levels of awarenessand possibilities that we can evolve into just withinthe human realm? Well, I don’t think we can answerthese questions, at least not now and not from ourlimited human perspective in its current state.CWG states that we (aspects of God) have purposelyforgotten who we are, so we can experience our onenessand divine essence by gradually remembering who we are(God) through our created physical/relative world.However, what happens when we grow so much inawareness, that we remember that we are more than justlimited human beings (I mean remembering on a verydeep intuitive level, not just conceptually)? Does thehuman experience cease to be necessary at that point?Again, I have no answers. I’m just throwing thesequestions out here for us to all ponder.I believe that regardless of what the answers are, wehave created our human realm for a purpose. I believethat at least part of this purpose is to use what weperceive as our “human free will,” and to use it toevolve in awareness of our essence and its creativepossibilities within the human realm.With the above said, I don’t know if it serves anypurpose for us to put large amounts of time and effortinto attempting to understand God’s (our) purpose athigher levels (beyond the human realm), especiallysince we really cannot understand it from our limitedhuman perspective. All I know at this time is that weare human beings who live in a physical dimension, andwho have the individual and collective potential toexpand towards higher and higher levels of awareness,potential, and possibilities. We will follow the paththat is set or that we have set before us, and utilizewhat feels to be in our control to travel that path.When we are ready to travel into higher realms, then Isuppose we will open the doors to those realms andbecome more aware of our higher level choices andcontrols.Dave 1.

posted September 05, 2011 19:02 (
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Okay, and I say there are rules. Thomas edison had horrible hygiene as well, often going days without showering. He robbed Tesla of his intellectual property. He killed a man with X-rays and later lived to regret it. He said it was the worst thing he ever did and the only regret he had. Business, in the days when that was uttered, was not nearly as advanced as today. There are patterns. You cannot see them and that is fine. All of this has seriously hindered my ability to continue to innovate.

There isn’t anybody on this forum or in this life that is going to conince me that things happen randomly and without meaning… Including invention. There are good practices and there are bad practices. There are methods of fulfilling requirements that are . There are practices that Roger writes about. There are principals that tie it all together. It seems that some members of this particular forum resist structure. That is interesting to me.

posted September 05, 2011 18:30 (
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Good grief, Chappy! You are trying to prove that every invention follows a pattern – steps and that is what I was talking about; however, I think you knew that and you just want to get a rise out of me. Heck, I’m a designer, I don’t deal with the physical patterns to cut out fabric – I have people who do that. Nice try though……..

Fairin, very true words about Roger (and he is a BROWN!) Roger and Frank and Chris stay with it even though, I think, it is a lost cause. I am assuming that they want to make sure that some newbies don’t buy into some of the impediments which have been presented: tasks, steps, patterns which might be true for real estate but which add an additional burden for inventors.

Thomas Edison said, "Hell, there are no rules here — we’re trying to accomplish something. … " couldn’t have said it better myself, old Tom.

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I love you Roger Brown !!!!!!!!! A truly professional, giving, talented, successful, roll with the punches … etc. kind of guy… and the list goes on…!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you so much for taking you time energy and effort to help US ALL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you give motivational conventions for inventors ????? MONTEREY CA is beautiful ya know !!!

posted September 05, 2011 16:29 (
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Chappy wrote: "I have been on EN for 4 months now. In that time Roger, you have not licensed any new products. You say you are pitching products every other day. That makes me wonder how you pitch that many ideas and don’t close. "

Actually in your other thread I posted that I have 2 products in final discussions for licensing. As several of the Inventors I have been working with will tell you it can go as quickly as a week to 6 or 7 months to get a company to commit to a license. That is why I am always saying you have to have patience and not send something to a company on Monday and call Tuesday asking when are they sending you a contract.
Look at Davison, they have hundreds of employees and they only got 16 licenses paying more in royalties than the Inventor spent on services over a 5 year period. So, even with that big a staff they are not moving any faster than I am.
I have two kitchen products coming out the beginning of 2012. By the time these products come to market we will have been working on this project for 15 months. It will be another 3 months after that before I see the first quarter royalty check. The reason for the delays was issues with the overseas manufacturing, the timing of releasing them during one of the kitchen trade shows and not wanting to release them during the Christmas season. I could jump up and down and demand they move quicker and not wait for a specific timing and just go for it. What reaction do you think I would get? Would they jump and do what I said? Would they tell me to make and sell them myself? Would they say I am to demanding and drop the project? Would they say this is what I signed on for, it is their company and they know when the timing is best?
What would you do in that situation and how would it fit into your defined steps?

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Roger,

Of course I think you have a pattern of success… I said that from the beginning. The reason I asked you the questions I did was out of respect and admiration. If I could only achieve that level of success. I don’t know how this has turned into a week of this barrage.

I am ok with it though. I am a pretty good communicator.

You wrote… “Companies are like people, each has their own individual tastes, dreams, likes and dislikes. You can’t make a works everytime for 6 billion people defined list.”

I agree, If they go in a different direction well that is their choice. My inventions come in 3 didstinct categories 1. Original Concepts 2. Versioning 3. Business Modeling. Versioning itself has 2-3 distinct approaches. If you were to work with me on a couple projects, you would see that my first approacch is always the same. I do not waste my time with undefined objectives or parameters, I move on. Just like I don’t work with everybody that wants to buy or sell a house. I will turn a buyer away if I find them unqualified or a seller away if they wont price the property right in real estate. That is because I have a set of standards. Do I miss sales? I may, but it doesn’t take up any more of my time and I go generate more.

@ Julie, You should have many patterns… You stepped away and discovered more patterns. That is what it is all about. Would you freehand draw your patterns every time or would you use a pattern? You already said you use patterns so that was rhetorical. Those patterns are your standards for your pillow cases. I bet it gets easier everytime you use a pattern too, doesn’t it?

Standardized processes make business easier and more measureable. It just is the way things are. I look for patterns in the way people do what they do. I have been on EN for 4 months now. In that time Roger, you have not licensed any new products. You say you are pitching products every other day. That makes me wonder how you pitch that many ideas and don’t close. I still respect and admire your successes. Is that what we could expect for performance in industry? Is that typical or high or low? I am asking questions, not judging or expecting you to be any differnt than what you are.

5 years ago, I didn’t know that and I would present my ideas to the wrong people. Of course, I was doomed before I started.

posted September 05, 2011 11:45 (
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If a pattern is evident, then I have had about 6 different patterns. The flannel pillowcase had a unique pattern because it was my first product. The fleece pillowcase had a different pattern even though I tried to follow the flannel pillowcase’s pattern. And then along came the best-selling product, the RV step cover, and the pattern for that is totally different from the other two. In fact, the pattern for the step cover changed at least twice as it evolved. If I hadn’t been willing to step away and look differently at the patterns I was trying to follow, I don’t believe that I would have had success. Stubborness would have caused me to fail, I believe: I choose to think that I have tenacity not born of being stubborn.

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Chappy, would you say I have a pattern of success? If not how many successes would I need in order for you to consider me successful and qualified at what I am doing? You say you are still “Searching” for the pattern/metrics/segments/numbers/process/adjustments/ then you say
“In the end, the decision is as random as free will” which is exactly what I have been sayingthe whole time. You can do everything possible on your end to get all your ducks in a row and still not succeed, because you are relying on a factor you have no control over, which is the company you approach. What I have been telling you and posting in all threads are the things you can do on your side of the fence to help increase your chances of success once it is in the hands of the company.

Chappy wrote: “First, I take those segments and correlate them with my own pattern which, as you can imagine, is well defined.” It can be well defined that does not mean it is right. It just means you have a defined list. Companies are like people, each has their own individual tastes, dreams, likes and dislikes. You can’t make a works everytime for 6 billion people defined list.

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Well Roger & Frank, That is a very good question. The immediate answer to that is in the last 7 words of my statement that begin with “… I am Searching…” It is truly a search. In the end, the decision is as random as free will. Like Roger has been talking about though, there are things that can be done to improve the odds. Never get hung up on a single project is my philosophy; keep cranking out the projects.

Over on Andrea’s thread, the numbers are obvious. This not a simple field by any stretch of the imagination.

Roger, Your pattern is evident by the article you wrote for Inventors Digest. It is a pattern that has affected several licenses. I accept that pattern… but not at face value. The details therein covered the activities. You identified the segments of the process. You didn’t however detail anything else. That is where the fun begins.

First, I take those segments and correlate them with my own pattern which, as you can imagine, is well defined. See what I am doing or forgetting for each of your segments. Then I make adjustments a needed. Those become trade secrets… not given up easily, but defined nonetheless.

There is ALWAYS a pattern. There are many metrics to keep up with. I don’t know them all. A few successes and I will have a pattern of success. The rest of it is all learning. Observation and asking questions; creating standards, trying them and making adjustments. Without standards though, it is a crap shoot.

posted September 04, 2011 20:20 (
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Excellent question, Roger!

Chappy?

posted September 04, 2011 18:01 (
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Chappy you wrote: “There is always a pattern and there are always things that can be done to bring about consistant desired results. I found them in real estate and I am searching for them in this industry.”

What would you consider the pattern in inventing and how would you use the pattern to get consistant results? If you can do that would it prevent you from getting rejections? And if you know the pattern shouldn’t it work every time?

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JULIE…. That was the biggest compliment i think i have ever gotten… Thank you from the bottom of my heart !!! i have worked so hard as you did … single and leaning to accomplish mostly by trial and error… however… watching what others are dong and what is working for them… we all learn from each other… if we apply it to our lives well that is a choice… :))))

and DUUHHHHHHHHHHHH why didnt i think of that….?? so simple … YOU ARE RIGHT cats were the WORST !!! MY GOD they can poop right through the carrier when car sick and scream all the way… !!! i took one cat with cancer to DAVIS 2 hr one way trip… every other week for CA treatment… eeeeeeeeeooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!! loved my custom liner in the back of the van !!!! it saved me more than once… !!! Good thing i had great music i could blast !!! har har !!!!
posted September 03, 2011 18:54 (
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I might have posted my ‘entry’ in the wrong thread although one chaos is as good as another………

Roger, Somewhere in the archives, I wrote about all the costly mistakes I had made – each one was detrimental but the key was to not make the same, or similar, mistakes again and to not give up.

posted September 03, 2011 17:48 (
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Chappy, I have to disagree with your statement " In inventing/product development mistakes are not that detrimental."

Mistakes in inventing are detrimental. They can cost you the deal.

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Roger, Thank you for that. Actually I have kept up with that thread. It is many things that you should not do. In saying that I believe there has to be a way to capture the essence of all that you know in a set of rules that is universal. Beilieve me, I key on everything you say and I look for it in my own strategy. If it isn’t there then I assimilate it.

Again, thank you so much for the conversation this morning. It was like a real-time interview. I do have an assistant, by the way. Many realtors have a real hard time deligating their tasks because the assistant won’t do it like the agent would. The difference is that there are laws and that violations carrie fines and jail time in real estate. In inventing/product development mistakes are not that detrimental.

I train our assistants and I manage our daily activities. There is always a pattern and there are always things that can be done to bring about consistant desired results. I found them in real estate and I am searching for them in this industry. I never sit back and “enjoy” the ride.

You said it yourself, there are those that do and those that are wishful. I am on the “Do” side of that equation.

Thanks again.

Stay thirsty, Stay Green!
Chappy!

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Chappy, I don’t consider your questions aggressive. take a look at this thread. You might enjoy it http://www.edisonnation.com/forums/other/topics...

posted September 03, 2011 14:45 (
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Fairin, I would guess that there were more cats than dogs because every car trip I have taken with a cat has been a trip from hell – even if they are in a cage. I admire your gumption and the way you think: getting priorities in order isn’t always the easiest thing to do. (And, with that mental health background, you must be having a field day here in the forums!)
;-)

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YUP you are absolutely spot on Chappy…:))) i chose my employment over the independent business… at the end of the second year it was really picking up… i was getting calls at work that were ER… and i had to say NO i can’t come….:((( i did that like 3x and decided to put it down as i didnt want to ruin the reputation i had built….

The first year was easy to handle as i was also new at the MH dept. my clientele was smaller and i could slip away to answer calls between appt. run the business after work and on wk ends. The second year the business picked up and so did my work at the MH Dept. I started working with MHSA (Mental Health Service Act) building programs for the MH incarcerated… that was new , fun and i learned allot :)

I chose my full time employment over the business as i was NOT willing to take the risk… The business was dong good and taking off but NOT good enough to support myself… and also keep Health Benefits… So Down it went i went forward… i really do wish i could have found a driver… i would have kept it up… BUT OH WELL… i LEARNED ALLOT !!!!! :))))))

That’s the scoop… Funny thing is believe it or not… i transported more cats than dogs… That still amazes me… However the ER calls were all for big dogs that needed to be put to sleep ASAP… owners wait too long and then panic….Such is life….

Have a great day… and as you say…

Stay thirsty Stay Green… :))))

posted September 03, 2011 09:41 (
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You truly do lead by example and it is absolutely commendable. I have nothing but the utmost respect and admiration for your accomplishments. I hope that my questions are not viewed by you as agressive in nature. The only way I know how to learn is to observe and ask questions. Sometimes those questions hit hard. I make no appologies but I hope you understand. I am signing off in about 10 minutes. Thank you for your time in the forums today.

posted September 03, 2011 09:23 (
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And some people can take lessons all their life and still be tone deaf. Some can never have a lesson in their life and be fantastic. Others can learn the craft and are refered to as being a good technical singer and others have that extra something that makes them stand out and make you feel the music not just hear it.

You wrote “How could you help someone become and inventor… to excel and become the best of the best?”
A: Doing what I have been doing since this forum started years ago. I try and help answer questions about the industry. I give examples of what to do, what to avoid, where to find help, how I got products to market and the lessons I post. I give real life examples, post sell sheets, and other documents so they can be prepared on what they may receive from a company and what a company expects. I wrote a lengthy thread on how to improve your chances with the EN searches so Inventors don’t make common mistakes that could cost them moving forward. I put the information on this forum they need to succeed. What they do with it and how they approach it or ingore it is up to the individual.

posted September 03, 2011 08:55 (
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Right, some people that are ok at singing can take lessons and become an American Idol. How is singing taught? Lyrics, Pitch, Harmony, Melody, Scales, Bridge, Chorus, Genres “and the beat goes on”. Some people could care less about their tone or if they make money with it so it really doesn’t matter. Some people though, want to excel.

How could you help someone become and inventor… to excel and become the best of the best?

posted September 03, 2011 08:18 (
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Inventing is like any other venture. You can do anything you want. The question is can you do it well? Plenty of people like to sing. Plenty of people do sing. Plenty of people that sing do not do it professionally or well, but they enjoy the effort.

posted September 03, 2011 08:08 (
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Step 1 – The Idea

Step 2 – Research

Step 3 – Is Mine Better?

Step 4 – More Research

Step 5 – Sell Sheet

Step 6 – Practice

Step 7 – Knocking on Doors

Step 8 – Fine Print

Step 9 – It’s in the Mail

Step 10 – Patience

Step 11 – No Means Move on

Step 12 – Sealing the Deal

And finally, there’s this: Dreams are accomplished by those who do, not by those who wish.

This is a very thorough process, thank you. You have obviously had a lot of success in your method and there is a lot to be learned.

If someone wanted to become an inventor… could they?

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You may find these helpful as well.

How to Submit Ideas to Companies Think Before You Send
http://www.inventorsdigest.com/archives/6674

Licensing Vs Manufacturing
http://www.inventorsdigest.com/archives/2927

Pod cast interview for Ideasuploaded.com
http://ideasuploaded.com/podcast-interview-with...

Do You Really Need To Patent Your Invention Before Submitting to Companies for Licensing?
http://ezinearticles.com/?Inventors—-Do-Y...

posted September 03, 2011 07:36 (
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Thank you I will read it and have more questions if you don’t mind.

posted September 03, 2011 07:31 (
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You asked “If you duplicated yourself, do you think you would able to work with you to get what you need done the way you want it done?”
A: Yes, because we each would know whatthe other expected and would not keep the other from accomplishing the goal.

You asked “Do you have, like EN, a deterministic process that is duplicateable?”
I wrote an article for Inventors Digest explaining exactly what I do.

12- Step Program Sealing a Licensing Deal for Under $100
http://www.inventorsdigest.com/archives/5042

posted September 03, 2011 07:25 (
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Roger, You’re right, being a manager is not an easy task. It takes you away from doing what you do best and that is obviously creating great products. If you duplicated yourself, do you think you would able to work with you to get what you need done the way you want it done?

That question is a complicated way to ask, Do you have a standard methodology of doing what you do? Do you have, like EN, a deterministic process that is duplicateable?

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I would not have an assistant. I tried that once and it was more work than it was worth since I was always explaining why I needed something done a certain way or being asked how to respond to an email or phone call. It is easier to do it myself. I work on multiple projects all the time and multi-task just fine by myself. An assistant slows me down.

posted September 03, 2011 07:04 (
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Roger, if you were to have an assistant, what would you have them do?

posted September 03, 2011 06:48 (
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Chappy, nope, I don’t have an assistant.

posted September 03, 2011 06:43 (
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Fairin, How does a business do so good that you have to quit? Seems to me that you chose to maintain your employment over being an independent business owner. Is that a fair assessment? Your full time job got in the way of doing business. That is an interesting choice to me… Why do you think you did that?

posted September 03, 2011 06:30 (
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Very interesting Roger. You certainly could use another hand or 2.

Do you have an assistant?

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