um thanks kamala? I guess i better not post here i am confused

boy looks like you caught a big one. Why can’t people just handle their business without dragging everyone into it. Most of us are smart enough not to get suckered like some people who are either blinded by their own greed or who blame others for their failings . Perhaps newbies could learn from the “grasshoppers” if they didn’t have such a poisonous bite. Everyone has a good and bad side, grow up all you whiners. Do you think you’re perfect? I guarantee you are not.

here is another bad company. Wow there really are alot of sharks out there and makes you wonder what to do.

The roasted garlic ones with a slice of jalapeno (pepperjack)!!!!!! Darn near one of the best foods on Earth!!!!

I hear you, though, David about the whole shredded wheat (crackers or cereal) concept. BLECH! UNTIL these garlic gems came out, I couldn’t stand ’em either. Try these this way , though.

Don’t make me come in there! I love Triscuit!! The new flavors are the BOMB— Rosemary? Garlic? Olive oil and cracked black pepper? Fire roasted tomatoes? oh my. deeeelish. ;-)

The one I hate is triscut, maybe we hate alike

Davison gets this kind of attention, “bad attention” because they deserve it. Unfortunately, because they advertise so much on the internet, many up and coming inventors fall prey to them too quickly. I don’t know how to stop them or the other scheisters, but for now all we can do is educate those that ask.

By the way, I don’t know the name of that Nabisco cracker that I think is terrible, but if I see it again I’ll let you guys know :-)

I would never used this company. They were rather rude when I was not sure if I wanted to send them a lot of money. .He told me I was not very serous about it.. He started to argue with me. I said good bye.. I would in my opinion STAY AWAY…

Its sad when the people who try to cheat people out of there earnings or ideas, get this kind of attention. While the companies who are trying to to better get little or know attention.

The other thing is it would have eventually come to big fat halt for me anyways when it came time to forking over the huge bags of money to Davsion. I don’t have huge bags of money laying around my house. No money trees in my backyard. I’m still working on that invention (a seed that will actually grow real money on trees, but only in my backyard:)

Davison or “Absolutely New” is not doing anything differently than what most “invention submission” companies are doing. They are the biggest, charge a great deal of money, and are not very good at closing licensing agreements. I know that there is nothing illegal about what they are doing, its just immoral.

However, that immoral thing. If you owned a business, and where lousey at one aspect of it, would you advertise that, probably not. Would that be immoral? No, it’s survival in business. If Nabisco makes a lousey cracker but need to sell it, they dress it up with fancy packaging and still sell it. Is that immoral? No, its business.

Unfortunately, those that are affected by Davison seldom can afford to be scammed like Davison does. But, Hopefully! A reputable business will come along some day and put Davison out of business by having good ethics, actually they do exist now. They are small and hard to find, but someday Davison “might” get shut down, but only if someone steps up to the plate. Even then, an honest company can not license a lousey idea, so Davison shall stick around for a long time giving false hope.

I must admit, I was one of those gullible naïve people who almost got taken for a long ride with Davison. I have since backed out and ran fast thanks to the helpful information through these forums & other researched information on Davison. I must say that even though you see the statistics of the .001% you still however stupid and crazy it may sound think that your product could be that product that defies the odds. This is a HUGE lesson learned for me that I must thoroughly do my due diligence in research before I jump into bed with the devil. Just wanted to say thanks to all that are willing to actually provide helpful information for people like me. WHUUUUU glad that’s over.

Okay, this is making me mad. Look at the information I posted above and compare it with the present day information and tell me where we are going wrong? I am going to make this one of my Lessons threads too. Look closely at the last paragraph on both posts.

http://www.davison.com/legal/ads1.html

AFFIRMATIVE DISCLOSURE STATEMENT
You should read all of this information carefully before proceeding.

The total number of consumers who submitted new product ideas to Davison during the past five years is five hundred seventy seven thousand nine hundred seventy three (577,973). Davison does not provide evaluation of commercial potential; thus, it has provided no positive or negative evaluation of this or any other product idea in the last five years. The total number of consumers who were offered a Pre-Development agreement (or similar contract for research services) is three hundred twenty six thousand nine hundred three (326,903). The total number of consumers who were offered a Contingency Agreement (or other contract for licensing representation) is three hundred twenty six thousand nine hundred three (326,903). The total number of consumers who purchased a Pre-Development Agreement or similar contract for research services is fifty thousand one hundred sixty one (50,161). The total number of consumers who signed a Contingency Agreement or other licensing representation agreement is fifty thousand one hundred sixty one (50,161). The total number of consumers who were offered a New Product Sample Agreement (or any other contract for design services for a virtual or a product sample) is thirty eight thousand four hundred ninety nine (38,499). The number of consumers who signed a New Product Sample Agreement or similar agreement is thirteen thousand eight hundred seventy (13,870). The number of consumers who obtained a written license with a company that is not affiliated with Davison is three hundred fifty six (356). The total number of consumers in the last five years who made more money in royalties than they paid, in total, under any and all agreements with Davison, is fourteen (14). The percentage of Davison’s income that came from royalties paid on licenses of consumers’ products is .001%.

Numbers current as of March 16, 2010

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David..lol.. I’ve been biting my tongue for months in here. I know Edison Nation is not a person but I can’t this image out of my head.. Edison Nation stops short without warning and all I can see is them trying to pull Ron’s head out by his Handi Straps!!

previous post should read “is NOT their primary reason” pardone all my typos (rushing)

speaking as someone who has licensed multiple products and some for well over 100k (I will not elaborate), licensing CAN be a viable option. I also know others who have done the same. Just like any venture, all concerned must do their due-diligence. Not to always appear to contradict Ron’s positions, I just feel it important to always give an example of the other side when warranted. EN is perhaps the best service out there in my opinion, but no one will ever convince me that making money is the primary reason that they are doing this (which is perfectly reasinable and understandable). In fact, if they were not in it to make money, I probably would not utilize their services becuase the likelihood of them being beneficial to me would be minimal. Thank god for a mutual benefit (I make money, they make money) Long live Capitalism!!.

David! LOL

Ron your obsession over Edison Nation is bordering on the ocult, and I really do not think you could be right in the head. Get some help. Edison Nation is not a person, give your love to something that can love you back.

Oh yeah…I just had a brand new licensing company list my invention like I was one of their clients!!!! They list Edison Nation in their resources too…and twist it all up with the right words to make it look they are established with everyone.

They then list the logos of all major retailers like they had licensing agreements with these companies and they have NONE.

But what’s up???? Being a licensing agent really sucks…your not making money…really. Maybe a few might and Edison Nation will because they took the time to invent a new system quite intriguing and fair to all.

Why does everyone want to hey into the licensing business???? Let me tell you…it sucks…and if you make any real money you WILL end up in the courts with either the inventor or licensor as soon as profits get into 100’s of thousands of dollars…when all turn bitter and greedy against each other.

GOD BLESS EDISON NATION….they deserve because of the unique system to just help the inventor field….as for all the other licensing agents etc…..just beware…all these scams…like this one and the one that happened to me today.

Also….a tip…you got a product and a website…you need a tracker to see who visits your website…never would have found this guy without my tracker….he was making me look like one of his customers…I’ll have knockoffs out there in 24 hours if he left my product on there.

Julie, this is a prime example of what they call contacting companies for the client. When they tell the Inventor we will get your product in front of companies for possible licensing this is how they meet that requirement. They don’t address it to a decision maker in the company. They normally send it in care on the companies general mail box and hope that someone wil read it and forward it to the right dept. This is called the shotgun method. They figure if they throw enough crap out there it will stick somewhere.

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They want ME to license it? What? Are they NUTS!!!

Thanks, Ken – I had no idea – I thought I was special.

Julie, those invention companies send that stuff to everyone they can think of…..They just want you to license it.

I just received an e-mail from www.DavisonInternational.com – attention to my Licensing Dept. They are not asking me to submit MY product but review someone else’s (because I have a bedding item for children). This is how it starts out: "We have reviewed your corporate literature and believe we have developed a new product that you may be interested in evaluating.

Today’s current bedding for children only has one use; for bedding. Our newest product design will revolutionize the bedding industry by introducing the first interactive children’s bedding.

If your company is interested in reviewing this new product….."

Anyone have a comment?

LOL, Phillip, a little paranoia is healthy thing! (;^)

I read your blog entry – geez, is it hard to write about something you can’t mention? I am so damn curious! Sure wish we could openly share our ideas here. Think of the input we’d get with all the creative people who hang around the forums!

Maybe someone could come up with a special contract. Sign it and be privy to gold members’ ideas – but any unethical talk or action would result in instant retribution, e.g., your thumbs would be permanently superglued to your earlobes. (;^)

No problem Linda! I get a feeling that lots of people talk behind my back…in fact I’m sure someone is watching me right now…I better take cover…can’t trust the cops they are probably in on it.

TRUST NO ONE, not even yourself. You always have to second guess everything you do. You can read my latest blog for a very good example of that!

Oops, sorry, Phillip, didn’t mean to talk behind your back! Didn’t know you were here! (;^)

Roger, yes, Philip’s analogy certainly got his point across – but I wish he’d stopped short of killing trusting inventors. I mean, dead people don’t have years of regret to thump themselves in the head for being so gullible. (8^(

But memorable, yes. (;^)

Thanks Roger.

I do my best to make things clear.

mm gf, put your hands up and slowly back away from the invention submission company and no one will get hurt. LOL

Phillip, your analogy with the train is the best explanation I have ever read. You hit it out of the park!!

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mm gf – So what do you think of the advice posted here? Are you still considering going with davison? We’d love your feedback.

it makes me wonder how can Inventhelp have a office in every state in the US and still be in business after being charged with cheating so many inventors?

…been there, done that… – believe me, there are better ways. Do not do business with them, you will end up nowhere and loose a lot of money, too.

Great insight Shawn. I go from idea to research and marketing before doing any detailed drawing. If I find out that my idea is already flooding the market I stop unless my idea is fixing a problem all the others don’t address. I see what the market pricing is for those on the shelf and that gives me a good idea of where I need to make sure my idea falls in to be competitive. I am also looking for potential companies to approach with the idea, since I am looking to license it, not manufacture it myself.
A lot of this work can be done online and wandering stores. Once I am satisfied I have a market, my solution is unique, it can be competitive in pricing, then I start making drawings or prototypes as needed.
This method costs nothing out of pocket other than gas going to various stores, which I was going to do anyway as I like to wander stores seeing what new innovations are out or if something catches my eye and fosters a new idea.

Every week I get sent an idea from Inventors that want me to review their NEW idea that they say “There is nothing like this on the market”. I find it disturbing that within 15 minutes I can send them links to websites selling the very idea they just told me is not on the market. They have already spent hundreds to thousands on this idea and I have to wonder did they actually spend any time researching it before running full speed ahead.
There is no shame finding out your idea is already on the market. I tell people that just means you were thinking in the right direction and someone else beat you to it. The shame comes in when you are broke, in debt, and 20 minutes of your time researching could have saved you tons of frustration and financial issues.

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I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again here. I agree that Davison is not the company to send your idea off to to try to get it made and out there to the public if you have done no market research and you are new to the process.

They are a company that will develop your idea, build you a prototype, packaged it, etc… They will do anything and everything they can to make your a product except for one very crucial thing.

THEY WILL NOT EVALUATE IF IT SHOULD BE MADE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Good idea or horribly bad idea they will work diligently on it and charge you insanely high fees every step of the way.

The do very good work, I’ve worked with them in the past developing products for a company I used to work for. The problem is if your idea is bad you’ll pay a fortune for a bad product and be left with nothing.

The stance they have taken as a company is morally wrong. They think that by saying they will do the work regardless of the idea they are not responsible if the idea is bad. They are letting the inventor down and stealing from them when they know damn well what they have made is a total failure.

A good analogy would be that they know that a train is going to crash because the bridge is out but they stand there selling tickets to people for the train waving them happily on knowing that a few minutes from now everyone they sold the tickets to will be dead. Then they justify it by saying they did nothing wrong… those people wanted to ride the train, we just sold the tickets.

Stay away from Davison unless you want to board that train.

Your welcome, as I said there may well be companies out there who are legitimate, but likely they do not make use of mass marketing tactics like davidson. Legitimate one stop shops are likely out of reach financially for most of us and really are unneccessary. It all comes down to how much is a person willing to do themselves.

Thanks for the Info Shawn.

Great info roger, not very good statistics. I tell my clients it is cheaper to do as much as possible themselves. Most of my design services are less than two hundred dollars, occasionally I get talked into doing a prototype if it is within my abilities which may add a few hundred on. add on the patent attorney and manufacturing costs(if a licensing deal is not made) and you are likely well below what you would pay these companies for their ‘services’. If you are lucky enough, you can have your product submitted to a company who will do all of the legwork for you, thus your out of pocket costs are very low. I believe this is how you do your licensing is it not Roger? I usually advise my clients to do their research first, get the design down, then if necessary work on the prototype. I don’t know how many people contact me with idealistic views of their product and then when I have to tell them it will not work, or it wont work the way they designed it, or point blank, why would someone want this? I have to educate them on the fact that a prototype is not just a pretty sample, but serves the purpose of making sure there are no flaws. Even the best engineered device may not work when built, there are too many variables and adequate testing should be done before paying too much( I believe the man who made the dyson vacuum made several thousand prototypes before getting it right). These companies dont care about that, you give them tons of money and then find out there are problems(if they even do anything with it to begin with). My father taught me one valuable lesson in life, do not pay someone to do something that you can do yourself(similar to dont ask someone to do something you wont do yourself). Unless it is totally out of your scope of abilities I strongly advise people to do what they can, and the best they are capable of doing. If you have the mind to come up with the idea, then likely you are also capable of navigating through the maze of things to get your idea to market. Also, the first thing I hear from people is about patenting their idea. FIRST, is it necessary to even get it patented. do your preliminary search to see if it isnt already done. IF you are intent on a patent, build the thing FIRST as it is no sense patenting something that doesnt work or wont work the way it is supposed to. IF you do this and it works and works the way it should, THEN and only THEN should you even think about sinking money into patents, marketing, licensing, manufacturing and anything else. I would much rather spend a few hundred dollars to find out it doesnt work, cant be patented, or wouldnt be bought or used, than to spend thousands to find out the same.
The process I use is a little different than has often been recommended here, first I have the idea I do a basic, bare bones patent search. after that if I find nothing then I do the CAD work and evaluate on paper whether the idea SHOULD work. After that I think about potential for market(to me though half the fun is building so I am not as concerned with this, as I get enjoyment out of building it so it is not a waste) Most people on a tight budget should look into whether the item has true market potential and whether it can be manufactured for reasonable cost so it can be sold for a fair price(the greatest idea in the world wont sell if it costs too much) Once the prototype is working and works well and tested, then look at the options for patenting (if needed) and manufacturing. One item I have works and works well but as of yet have found no market for it even though it works great and does what I want it to. I had fun building the prototype, it didnt cost me more than a few dollars to build, so it was not a waste to do so. If your prototype is intricate and expensive to build, then you would want to consider looking into whether there is a market first. I would not even try for a patent until you have a working prototype as you would spend a lot of money then find out it doesnt work, bummer.

Point is, much of this you can do without sinking a lot of money. Also think about the ’one stop shop" do they have the necessary qualifications? You may be better to use an engineer for the design, a shop for the prototype(for things you cannot do yourself) then a marketing companie for the marketing. No one person is generally qualified to do everything, and the same should hold true for these companies, check them out well before you even consider giving them money. there are likely good companies out there who have staff to cover everything but they are few and far between and as I said you can do much yourself without spending much if anything.

I believe this will answer your question. Look hard at the last line and the percent that made more money in royalties than they paid into them. My advice…RUN far far away in the opposite direction!!!!

http://www.davison54.com/disclosure.php

In 1997, the Federal Trade Commission filed a lawsuit in the United States District Court for the Western District of Pennsylvania, captioned F.T.C. v. Davison, 97-1278. As a result of the judge’s decision in the case, the judge has ordered us to make the following disclosures to you regarding our track record over the last five years in successfully marketing our clients’ products. You should read all of this information carefully before proceeding.
The total number of consumers who submitted new product ideas to Davison during the past five years is two hundred twenty nine thousand seven hundred thirty eight (229,738). Davison does not provide evaluation of commercial potential; thus, it has provided no positive or negative evaluation of this or any other product idea in the last five years. The total number of consumers who were offered a Pre-Inventegration? agreement (or similar contract for research services) is one hundred fifty seven thousand one hundred twenty two (157,122). The total number of consumers who were offered a Contingency Agreement (or other contract for licensing representation) is one hundred fifty seven thousand one hundred twenty two (157,122). The total number of consumers who purchased a Pre-Inventegration? Agreement or similar contract for research services is thirty five thousand one hundred forty three (35,143). The total number of consumers who signed a Contingency Agreement or other licensing representation agreement is thirty five thousand one hundred forty three (35,143). The total number of consumers who were offered a Product Sample Presentation Agreement (or any other contract for design services for a virtual or a product sample) is twenty five thousand one hundred thirty five (25,135). The number of consumers who signed a Product Sample Presentation Agreement or similar agreement is nine thousand eight hundred ninety five (9,895). The number of consumers who obtained a written license with a company that is not affiliated with Davison is one hundred ninety eight (198). The total number of consumers in the last five years who made more money in royalties than they paid, in total, under any and all agreements with Davison, is seven (7). The percentage of Davison’s income that came from royalties paid on licenses of consumers’ products is .001%.

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Not only them but Millennium marketing group is bad news to. My decease mom, whom was on her dying bed 3 years ago, gave me the money to hire this company to only learn that they were a rip off. My mom past away thinking I finally made it… Oh God I don’t even want to think about it. I’m thankful for EDE whom gave me another shot at it and didn’t pay half the money to submit it; but my question to you mm gf is why you would want to explore those types of companies when you have access to EDE?

Stay away!!! There is nothing good about Davison.

Much of the development of your idea can be done yourself. It is much better to pay only for any services which you absolutely cannot do yourself. If you want drawings done go to a graphics or engineering design business, if you need a patent search do one yourself first, then see a patent attorney or agent. marketing can be accomplished by yourself or by marketing companies, depending on your idea you could either license it or patent it and then either license it or have it manufactured yourself. I think you will find that these all in one people are more of a rip off, though there may be legitimate companies out there much of what they do you can do yourself unless you have unlimited money and want to waste it. Do your research and find out as much as you can.

here is the information from the FTC re davision

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2008/07/davison.shtm

I cannot stress enough how important it is to do your homework before submitting to ANY company. Make sure that what they are claiming is true and find out what they have done to improve the lives of their invnetors. In other words….how is the inventors product doing on the market?….how are the inventors getting paid? … If not monthy is there an interest bearing account opened for the inventor so they are collecting intereston royalties while they wait to be paid their share.

Davison was investigated by the FTC and fined millions of dollars so please stay away from them. Since then some of there people started another submission company called Absolutly New so stay away from them as well. I dont know of AN being sited by the FTC for anything ….but until they can establish and prove a reputation for being for the inventor I’d steer clear. As with any invention submission companies you need to kick the tires and do some homework.

I do not believe they are ‘new’ but stay away from them anyway.

stay away from them period, they just want your money

Davison is a invention submission company and do not do business with them.