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Did anyone see 60 minutes last night regarding artificial intelligence? it seems the Terminator was correct, the machines will take over in the future.

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it will take the programming of self preservation and given self awareness to make that happen. If some moron does that then yes, we are all doomed. 

Most people couldn't survive more than a month in nature with creature comforts. Machine learning is outgrowing human logic. 

In fact, the collision prevention technology that is being programmed into most cars is a form of self awareness and preservation. I feel your assessment may be accurate... We are all going to die!

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The 'Rise of the Machines' is 100% prophetic and horrifying at the same time.

The ever growing rate at which CPU's have increased and human intellect has decreased is well documented. Apple products are a perfect example.  Push a button, get instant gratification.  Humans in general are really not dedicated problem solvers, just button pushers.  We do less and less every day. Older example: George Jetson complaining that slave driver Spacely made him push the button THREE times today!

Computers have been given the reigns to both tasking and problem solving.  When you put both of those together, it is akin to mixing chemical A and B with disastrous results.

Moore's Law states that CPU processing power doubles every two years.  It is a pure algorithmic climb from there.  Humans are not advancing at that rate, sorry.

Once the machines figure out that humans in general ARE the problem to everything and anything, the rest as they say- is destiny. 

Funny how I warned about this over 30 something years ago right after I saw the original Terminator movie.  

And you can forget Asimovs three laws of robotics, that fairy tale will be over-ruled by the machines.

I guess microbes and cockroaches really were at the top of the food chain all along.  We just thought we were.   

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From a purely logical standpoint, the machines are correct. However, I also think that a purely logical, self-aware intelligence, particularly with greater computational skill and perfect recall, will also run up against the questions of meaning and purpose that we do. I think William Gibson's Neuromancer deals with this subject particularly well, and is also prophetic. The only way for humans to evolve past a certain point is to merge with machines of one stripe or another. Biomechanics are the future of the human evolution process IMO. Which is really, really scary. Matrix scary.

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A young individual decides to try horseback riding, even though he has had no lessons or prior experience. He mounts the horse unassisted and it immediately springs into motion. It gallops along at a steady and rhythmic pace, but the rider begins to slip from the saddle. In terror, he grabs for the horse''s mane, but cannot seem to get a firm grip. 

He tries to throw his arms around the horse''s neck, but he slides down the side of the horse anyway. The horse gallops along, seemingly ignorant of its slipping rider.

Finally, giving up his frail grip, the rider attempts to leap away from the horse and throw himself to safety. Unfortunately, his foot becomes entangled in the stirrup, and he is now at the mercy of the horse''s pounding hooves as his head is struck against the ground over and over.

He starts to lose consciousness, but to his great fortune, Bobby, the Wal-Mart greeter, sees him and unplugs the horse...

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Patric J
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Autobiographical, Michael? :D

Michael Heagerty
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I wish...always wanted to be one of those greeters..! :D

Just don't let those machines get the best of you... ; )

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Joseph-

Even Elon Musk agrees.


Elon Musk Unveils Apocalyptic Vision For The World

Elon Musk is no stranger to future casting a foreboding dystopia ahead for mankind, as we noted recently. But during a speech he gave today at the National Governors Association Summer Meeting in Rhode Island, Musk turned up the future-fearmongery amplifier to '11'.

As a reminder, in the past, when he was asked about whether humans are living inside a computer simulation, Musk made headlines last year by saying he thinks the chances are one in billions that we aren’t.

“The strongest argument for us probably being in a simulation I think is the following: 40 years ago we had Pong – two rectangles and a dot,” Musk stated.

“That’s where we were. Now 40 years later we have photorealistic, 3D simulations with millions of people playing simultaneously and it’s getting better every year. And soon we’ll have virtual reality, we’ll have augmented reality. If you assume any rate of improvement at all, then the games will become indistinguishable from reality, just indistinguishable.”

Here Musk is referring to the exponential growth of technology, the lynchpin of the Singularity theory. If in 40 years we’ve gone from the two-dimensional pong to the cusp of augmented and virtual reality, imagine where we’ll be in another forty, or a hundred, or 400. And that is where he began today...

But today, Musk discussed a broad range of topics from energy sources in the future...

"It's inevitable," Musk said, speaking of shift to sustainable energy. "But it matters if it happens sooner or later."

As for those pushing some other type of fusion, Musk notes that the sun is a giant fusion reactor in the sky. "It's really reliable," he said. "It comes up every day. if it doesn't we've got (other) problems)."

To Tesla's share price:

Musk said he has been on record several times as saying its stock price "is higher than we have any right to deserve" especially based on current and past performance.

"The stock price obviously reflects a lot of optimism on where we will be in the future," he said. "Those expectations sometimes get out of control. I hate disappointing people, I am trying really hard to meet those expectations."

Musk added that he won't be selling any stock "unless I have to for taxes," and said "I'm going down with the ship... I'll be the last [to sell]."

Musk addressed government regulation and incentives:

"It sure is important to get the rules right," Musk said. "Regulations are immortal. They never die unless somebody actually goes and kills them. A lot of times regulations can be put in place for all the right reasons but nobody goes back and kills them because they no longer make sense."

Musk also focused on the importance of incentives, saying whatever societies incentivize tends to be what happens. "It's economics 101," he said.

And what drives him:

"I want to be able to think about the future and feel good about that, to dream what we can to have the future be as good as possible. To be inspired by what is likely to happen and to look forward to the next day. How do we make sure things are great? That's the underlying principle behind Tesla and SpaceX."

Within 20 years, he said driving a car will be like having a horse (i.e. rare and totally optional). "There will not be a steering wheel."

“There will be people that will have non-autonomous cars, like people have horses,” he said.

“It just would be unusual to use that as a mode of transport.”

But what started off as the latest sales pitch for electric cars quickly devolved into a bizarre rant that among other things, touched on Elon Musk's gloomy, apocalyptic vision of how the world could end... (via ReCode)

Musk called on the government to proactively regulate artificial intelligence before things advance too far.

“Until people see robots going down the street killing people, they don’t know how to react because it seems so ethereal,” he said.

“AI is a rare case where I think we need to be proactive in regulation instead of reactive. Because I think by the time we are reactive in AI regulation, it’s too late.”

“Normally the way regulations are set up is a when a bunch of bad things happen, there’s a public outcry, and after many years a regulatory agency is set up to regulate that industry,” he continued.

“It takes forever. That, in the past, has been bad but not something which represented a fundamental risk to the existence of civilization. AI is a fundamental risk to the existence of human civilization.”

Musk has been concerned about AI for years, and he’s working on technology that would connect the human brain to the computer software meant to mimic it.

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This is for all the naysayers who don't think that 'Terminator' type robots are possible.

Not only are they possible, they have been making them for quite awhile and they will continue to make them even more deadly.  Sorry to bust your bubbles, but humanity needs to wake up!

Elon Musk's Worst Nightmare: Russian AK-47 Maker Builds Fully-Automated "Killer Robot"

Jul 17, 2017 5:30 AM

Authored by Joseph Jankowski via PlanetFreeWill.com,

The debate over the role robots will play in the future of warfare is one that is taking place right now as the development of automated lethal technology is truly beginning to take shape. Predator drone style combat machines are just the tip of the iceberg for what is to come down the line of lethal weaponry and some are worried that when robots are calling the shots, things could get a little out of hand.

Recently there has been some debate at the U.N. about “killer robots,” with prominent scientists, researchers, and Human rights organizations all warning that this type of technology – lethal tech. that divorces the need for human control – could cause a slew of unintended consequence to the detriment of humanity.

A study conducted the University of British Columbia shows that this type of terminator-like weaponry isn’t sitting well with the general public, as an overwhelming majority of people, regardless of country or culture, want a complete ban placed upon any further development of these autonomous systems of war.

Despite the warnings of risk and concern, this is not stopping arms manufacturers from taking warfare into the twilight zone and bringing the futuristic battlefield scenario where A.I. robots and human are fighting with each other, side by side, closer to everyday reality.

Kalashnikov, the maker of the iconic AK-47, is one of those manufacturers bringing lethal automation and robotics into the present-day as it is currently building a range of products based on neural networks,’ including a fully automated combat module’ that can identify and shoot at its targets.

Defense One is reporting:

The maker of the famous AK-47 rifle is building “a range of products based on neural networks,” including a “fully automated combat module” that can identify and shoot at its targets. That’s what Kalashnikov spokeswoman Sofiya Ivanova told TASS, a Russian government information agency last week. It’s the latest illustration of how the U.S. and Russia differ as they develop artificial intelligence and robotics for warfare.

The Kalashnikov “combat module” will consist of a gun connected to a console that constantly crunches image data “to identify targets and make decisions,” Ivanova told TASS. A Kalashnikov photo that ran with the TASS piece showed a turret-mounted weapon that appeared to fire rounds of 25mm or so.

Defense One points out that in 2012 then-Deputy Defense Secretary Ash Carter signed a directive forbidding the U.S. to allow any robot or machine to take lethal action without the supervision of a human operator.

Then in 2015, then-Deputy Defense Secretary Bob Work said fully automated killing machines were un-American.

“I will make a hypothesis: that authoritarian regimes who believe people are weaknesses,” Work said, “that they cannot be trusted, they will naturally gravitate toward totally automated solutions. Why do I know that? Because that is exactly the way the Soviets conceived of their reconnaissance strike complex. It was going to be completely automated. We believe that the advantage we have as we start this competition is our people.”

According to Sergey Denisentsev, a visiting fellow at the Center For Strategic International Studies, Russian weapons makers see robotics and the artificial intelligence driving them as key to future sales to war makers.

“There is a need to look for new market niches such as electronic warfare systems, small submarines, and robots, but that will require strong promotional effort because a new technology sometimes finds it hard to find a buyer and to convince the buyer that he really needs it, ” Denisentsev said earlier this year.

With my previous reporting dealing with robotics and war, I always point out the incredible advances made by Softbank owned Boston Dynamics in the field of A.I., using it as an example of what future warfare could (or most likely will) look like it. And to be honest, it really is nightmarish.

The bottom line is war is a racket. Killing for political reasons is always disastrous. So the fact that governments are on the verge of possessing this terminator technology should send chills down everyone’s spine.

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In my humble opinion... it is our human nature to seek the thrill of playing the victim  of the unknown. We are born into this world  with the nature to find joy in being startled with a good game of peekaboo and in a few years it is tag and hide and go seek.  And then the slumber party's where we get the chill and thrill of ghosts and goblins and the  unknown bump in the night! By adulthood it becomes politics, war  and rumors of war..! We would never want it to happen to us,  but we can't help but wonder if we can continue to beat the odds.  

 And just like the saying goes that  guns don't kill people, people kill people, so it is   with everything. Be it artificial intelligence a bow and arrow or a rock, the problem will always go back as far as Cain and Abel. 

 It would take millions of rogue robots shooting everything in sight before you had even one nuclear bomb... and that, since childhood has always been the chill down my spine! 

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Ralph, Yes. Elon Musk agrees about the apocalyptic vision of our future but his firm is or will be a creator of artificial intelligence that will be our doom according to the latest news reports.

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