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Neat Oh Basketball Backpack

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This is disconcerting to me.
We have seen Roger Brown's sell sheet for this item. To me it definitely has merit and we chatted briefly via PM about it.

Today I was doing a search online and find Neat Oh currently has this product for sale. However the year released is not readily available.

Basketball Backpack is a product Roger worked on for some time and apparently so much time elapsed that he uses it for an example sell sheet and has made it public. 

What can be done? Anything?

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I found the item on Amazon, but it does not appear on Neat-Oh's website. Perhaps it has been discontinued?

https://www.amazon.com/Neat-Oh-Sport-Basketball...

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This Patent shows as PENDING:

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20130082077A1/...

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I also went to their website and do not see it nor does it show under discontinued products.

Will check out the pending patent for the year.

Thank you.

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Priority date

2011-10-03
Filing  date
2012-10-02
Publication date
2013-04-04
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Karen, Thanks for sending me the message about the Neat-Oh Basketball Backpack. I love what they have done with it and hope it sells well for them. I doubt they saw my sell sheet and used that as their jumping off point. They just did what I have always said which is more than one person can have the same idea. Which I started a thread on here https://www.edisonnation.com/forums/other/topics/l...

I like their youtube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWSq_itOlro Now, what do you think I will be doing next after watching the video?

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Isn't the next step dependent upon when you began creation and showing Basketball Backpack?

While I do understand what you are saying, your sell sheet was quite visible on the web and I have seen numerous pics of it.

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If you are wanting to know if I would consider any legal action, nope. Why would I? I put that sell sheet up on the web because I had approached a number of backpack companies that all loved the idea but did not want to pursue it. They said the added cost and what they would have to charge to make up for it just wasn't within the margins they had to hit.  So, I decided I did not want to pursue it any further but liked using it as a example sell sheet.   

Now here is where I plan on going a different route. The youtube video gives me the name of the person within the company I want to contact. I have several other backpack ideas better than what I have shown I can put in front of them.

After looking at their line I also have a number of items in other of their categories that I would like to show them. And if you look at their website as you stated they do not show the Basketball backpack on their site so I will find out what other areas I may be able to supply them for possible licensing.

I see this as an opportunity to broaden my contact list and hopefully find success with other of my ideas. As I said above I hope they find success with the Basketball Backpack. It just validates I was thinking in the right direction. I just didn't put it in front of them. And who knows if I had back then would they have had interest in it at that time?

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I hope this company is receptive to ideas. They would be perfect for me.

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Erin, I would caution you to do your research first, from what you post you seem to tend to use the shotgun approach. As I have told you before you want your first impression to be a good one, not just getting your material in front of them. You have said you keep getting shot down due to the cost issue. So if you do not do anything to improve/streamline your idea before putting it in front of them won't you be just getting the same response?

And if you get the same response they may not be open to seeing other ideas from you. Take this opportunity to try a different approach and see if you get a different result.

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Roger overall I have to say you are a bigger man than I.

BUT my 1st experience was so wretched when I found a company using my work down to the very last detail. As a result like mentioned my novelties seldom see the light of day and it is 35 some odd years later. (Hoping to change this soon). 

That you can take this as a "positive" for subsequent work you have done has the potential to be a "win". 

Hoping you will share here how it goes.

Wishing you the best!

Sarah Mann
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Karen, I realize others can come up with the same idea as I suspect here. Plus, as I have stated before I am not emotionally attached to my ideas. Are there some I like better than others, Yes. But I can drop any of them and move on without losing any sleep. At one point I had over 240 sell sheets for various product ideas and have a number of others in the works. I narrowed the sell sheets down to a list of about 30 in various markets that I am working. I don't fear competition and feel I can adapt quickly to any market I want to approach. I treat inventing like a business. And in business you will have successes and failures. You learn from both to improve what you are doing to make the successes outweigh the failures.

I have approached a company with an idea and they told me they already had something similar in the works, which is why they passed on my idea. Without me asking for evidence they were kind enough to send me detailed CADs and other drawings showing their project. It was quite obvious they did not have time to do all that detailed work just to steal my idea. They did not have to show that product to me, but they stated they wanted to work with me on other products and did not want me to feel I had been taken advantage of by them. We have a good working relationship to this day and I am on their preferred Inventor list. Which gives me a path to focus on.

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Lol I do understand business except when someone may be taken advantage of then it gets rather personal.

As long as you are "good"  then I will follow along. 

Please keep us posted on your progress. 
Making it to  the preferred inventor list is golden. Sounds like a great company to work with!

(think I have made it to sell sheet 12 or 14...lost count...maybe my mind too).

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Karen, I am good with it because I truly believe I was not wronged. Good luck with your sell sheets and ventures.

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Neat-oh had a contact person for ideas and suggestions. I didn't see anything regarding their submission policy. I shall see.

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Roger, you always take the high ground and I just LOVE the way you can see a possibly better outcome for yourself - approaching the company about other ideas - brilliant.  Its inspiring to me - especially now adays where everyone seems to say SUE THEM as the first course of remedy.  Bravo!

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Instead of email I called and left a message this time. Hoping for the best.

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Erin, it will be interesting to see if you get a different result using the same technique.

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I am happy for you that you have been successful but that is no reason to knock everyone that doesn't do it your way.

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Erin, I am not saying you need to do it my way. I am saying you may want to change your approach since you complain your current results are not what you are wanting. And I am not basing my comment just on your posts here but also basing them on the emails you and I have been exchanging for the past month. As I pointed out in those emails seeing the companies response and what you submitted it appears you are not doing enough research into your ideas prior to sending them out. Because the items I found easily are some of the same ones the companies will find. 

Having determination, having a lot of ideas is great, but you also have to back that up with research to support your idea and know your competition. Because any company you approach is in business to make money and will base their response on that criteria. 

Look at what I posted above

"You have said you keep getting shot down due to the cost issue. So if you do not do anything to improve/streamline your idea before putting it in front of them won't you be just getting the same response?"

That goes back to what I am saying, they are in business to make money. If you can show them the same idea and have it within their margins don't you think they would be more open to the idea?

And look at the email you sent me and the company you sent the idea to and their explanation of why your idea would not be effective based on its location. Isn't that something some research on your part would have found?

When you approach companies you want to anticipate questions they may ask so you can have your response ready to prove your idea is sound and that you have done your research into your product that not only will it work but it answers the Better Than question.

Your end goal is to get the company interested in your product. If you eliminate all the negatives you are enhancing the positives.

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Hi Erin, I get that its hard to hear things that are not in alignment with our own ideas or dreams.  For me, most of the time, after I got that dose of reality, once I licked my wounds and picked myself back up things usually became clearer as to why the thing I was doing did not work.  Sure Growth Hurts. Sure Change Hurts.  Sure Failure Hurts - but Roger is being constructive when he is suggesting your change your approach - because you already know the likely outcome.   I believe that there are people, Like Roger, who sincerely want others to succeed, and it can be VERY Frustrating and frankly exhausting  to see people sabotage their own efforts - unfortunately that old adage "You cannot transfer life experience" seems to be true.  My two cents - take a breath, step back for a few days and try to reflect on what you might have done differently - then decide your  new approach.  If you study highly successful people they are the most relentless in perfecting the approach - best to you! 

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Unfortunately this place is more discouraging than encouraging. The odds are stacked against most of us in this field as it is. I am staying away from here. I have made some great friends here. There are a lot of nice people. I hope that they find success. And a special thanks to Robert. You have a big heart.

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Erin

I have found this to be a great source of information along with some truly great people.

It is a bit discouraging also but I deem this to be the nature of the beast for all of us.

Things I have to overcome personally, are I have been diabetic for 19 years. Sometimes my words slur because of this. Then there is the problem of my mind suddenly going blank or wandering.

Very hard to be engaging and charming with a stranger on the phone. Gives me feelings of doom before getting started.

You are welcome to message me any time you choose! HUGS!!!

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Hi Erin, very nice post.  I get the 'overcome' issues.  I get a bit troubled when I see the number of 'able bodied' people out there that are blessed with the one thing i no longer have and that  is plain old ' good health' - YEP  it frustrates me to no end to see these same folks squandering it away finding reasons to stop themselves from taking chances, or learning new things - GRRRR.  I guess we all have our pet peeves - there are PLENTY Of ways for people to make serious money if they have the physical and mind to work - it is quite a bit different when you can't go just 'get a job'.  Good for you for overcoming your personal challenges - I do get that. Its even harder when you deal with people that say 'geez you don't look THAT sick'  - thats a rant I could really get on but alas that will get me no closer to any of my personal goals - so I breath and keep moving - I  think it always comes down to how we face adversity - that will always be there. Some days are just easier than others and when the stars dont align - we all melt down a bit. Its only human best to you!

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Karen, you asked to post how it goes. Made contact with them over the phone and had a good conversation followed up by them restating some of what we discussed on the phone in an email to me along with their NDA.

Their NDA is a mutual NDA and in my opinion is favorable to both parties. Now the question is based on the blurb I posted below from their email, how many people will disregard their request and contact them tomorrow?

"We do entertain ideas from outside inventors. We are time starved for the next 2-3 weeks, but can review ideas thereafter. Attached is our mutual NDA for execution prior to submitting any ideas (don’t send anything for 3 weeks).

Best regards,"

Now, I look at the 3 week window not as a delay as some Inventors might to get their million dollar idea in front of them,but as an opportunity. That gives me 3 weeks to study the company even more, make sure my material is the best it can be, work on additional products to present, prioritize which items to send first and which ones to hold back for the second and third batch.

I try and not send more than 2 or 3 items at a time for a reason. Many Inventors get excited a company has agreed to look at their ideas and sends every idea they have had since they first started working on inventions. This generally leads to a mass of confusing attachments, videos, links, etc the Reviewer has to sort through to figure out what goes with what. 

Now lets say you sent them 10 items for review. They will review all 10 and hopefully pick the best from the bunch for further review. Now if they come to you and say "What else do you have?" Do you have anything left to show? In most cases, No.

If you break the batch of 10 down to 3 batches you have them hopefully picking the best one out of three and doing it again for the next two batches. So you have the potential of getting 3 picked versus 1.

Plus by doing it in smaller batches it is easier for them to go through and understand. And while you are doing the smaller batches it gives you time to come up with more items to follow those batches.

Did this with a pet company recently that has selected 4 items that are going through the CAD,prototyping and costing process now. Had I sent them everything in one batch I doubt I would have gotten the 4 selected.

If you want to work with companies you have to be flexible, adapt to the situation and make it as easy for them as possible because you are not the only one pitching to them.

Karen C Adams
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Great reminder - always Listen (or read) instructions - and make sure you get it. 

Less is more sometimes.

Thats a hard lesson for me - I think its because I grew up in the age of verbal/written communications.  

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Crystal-Diane, you have come a long way already. Go back and look at how many pages you were using for your initial sell sheet and look what you were able to get into one page, even with pictures. 

You took the time to take out the fluff, make it more concise and get your features presented in an understandable format that is easy to read. That is a big hurdle many Inventors never succeed in doing.

You are building a business around your product, building a following. You should be very proud of what you have accomplished and will accomplish.

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Roger

How exciting!!!

I would never send every concept/prototype/sell sheet etc at once for exactly that same reason.

Besides  being overwhelming regardless of how good one's ideas actually are, the person reviewing is only human and there is a potential over boredom overtaking in them being with one potential client too long. Hope that makes sense because even the most professional are still just as human as the rest.

3 weeks is not a long time to wait at all and I see it as a great opportunity.

Wishing you the best and please keep us posted!

( I am equally excited for anyone finding and exploring a good opportunity especially since I am currently a member of this forum. This gives us all a chance to perhaps learn a bit more and it helps to make things "real".)

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Karen, it is all a matter of perspective and having realistic expectations. I agree 3 weeks is not a long time, but to some 3 days is an eternity waiting for a response. One of the issues many Inventors have is understanding they are not the only one submitting to a company. They think the reviewer is only dealing with them so things should move quickly. I know companies that get hundreds of submissions monthly and only have one person doing the reviewing. So getting a backlog is easy.

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Thanks Roger - I am back to growing slowly and organically.  I have a host of new products I plan to offer at the Fall shows. I am currently working on updating my packaging - as I have been contacted by some small regional resellers about possibly stocking my handmade versions of my products - My TODO List has become incredibly long. So thanks for the encouragement - I remind myself that Slow and Steady (and I am slow LOL) can still win the race! Have a great day.

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Crystal-Diane, slow and steady can be a great thing. It helps keep you focused on the end goal and in many cases helps you stay at a pace best for you so that you don't over extend your current situation.

Too many Inventors charge forward at breakneck speed causing them to overlook opportunities and out pace their abilities to supply the demand. They can also be in such a hurry to succeed they make more mistakes that cost them the success they are seeking.

Everyone has to find that sweet spot that works for them and their situation. Good luck at your events in the fall.

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Steve Harvey's FunderDome episode 6 featured a backpack bag called The Game Bag which is also a backpack, which was funded for $20,000.

http://abc.go.com/shows/steve-harveys-funderdom...

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