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Quirky.com: another crowdsourcing invention site

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Hey all. If you have great ideas and don’t want to wait until the next LPS, you can pitch them over at Quirky.com. Yes, it costs $99, but each week, there are on average 30 submissions, and one of them gets chosen to be developed. And if it is your idea that gets chosen, you can make around 10% of sales if it goes into production (after about 600-700 get preordered by the community).

I am the inventor of Monster Pong (Season 2) and also had my idea chosen by Spencer’s (in EN’s first LPS), and I am STILL waiting for either to be up for purchase. :(

But at Quirky.com, one of my designs (for an IPad case) is currently going into production, and an invention of mine (The Wrapster, an earphone cord management device) is 200 presales away from production, all within 2 months of my pitches. They move fast over at Quirky! Check out Quirky and The Wrapster here: http://snipurl.com/umhwy

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Hey
I’ve got an app in consideration at Medl; I saw your post on the FB page yesterday and ended up watching the wrapster pitch on your blog. Great design and great pitch. Good luck!

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Carrie, I was wondering how your app was doing :) I have submitted over 50 and have about 5 left that are being reviewed :) Good luck to you!

Matt thanks for the information, I love trying out new things!

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Matt, how fast did you find out that your idea was chosen? Your inventions sound very neat by the way, I will have to check them out!

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Maria,
Wow over 50 app ideas! I’m still holding tight on 1 of my 3.

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Hey Guys, thanks for the comments. I am planning on submitting more to MEDL soon. Glad to hear that you both are doing so well there.

Maria, once you submit your idea, the voting and decision will be made in about 7 days, at which point you will know if your idea was picked or not. Then another few days for research (Quirky asks the community to fill out a survey regarding the product), then folks vote on the actual industrial design for about 6 days, then everyone votes for name, tag line, then the logo. Then it goes on presale, and once it hits its threshold (about 600-700 pre-orders), the it goes into production.

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Thanks for replying Matt. Sounds like fun! Good luck on your ideas!

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I had a good look at that Quirky site – it seems pretty nice to me. Does anyone know whether they are legit? I’d hate to recommend them if they merely took $99 for invention submissions and did nothing – but otherwise they seem like a well organized site. Anyone?

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Yes, they are, I am one of the idea people on the Cloak Undercover iPad case! I am earning with JUST IDEA’S and influence .59 cents per sale! I invested NOTHING but my idea’s on the product! Matthew and I are both influencer’s on this product the Cloak iPad Case. It went to market 3 days ago and is now in production for a May 1 delivery date. They have resellers that take this from ground zero to now in stores (online). They have huge investors and just launched their 10th product today….This is the real deal and if you bomb on your own invention or idea on EN, try them!

You don’t even need to invest, you can just give your input and EARN interest in the product…It does need to meet threshold for pre-sales in order to go to market, but Matt is right, this is a great site and company! I also influenced on the Wrapster of Matt’s! Check it out!

http://www.quirky.com/?r=b6d5d532327f4ada95d5e8...

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Andrea,
I posted the below on another thread here titled “Invention Project” http://www.edisonnation.com/forums/creativity/t... You did not respond to that post and started this new thread. On that thread you state “I am making $.49 cents per sale once it goes to market, so if you can actually get it to market, I would join you, if not join quirky.com and make money now!”

On this thread you are posting making .59 cents per sale. This type of marketing will work for the person that is outgoing and good at drumming up sales like telemarketing. Not every Inventor that is here has that background or ability. So, if they paid their money and were picked to go to the pre-sale level it will just sit there if they do nothing and hope people order it. Unless they have the time to pitch it around and get the pre-sales to make it profitable to make and sell.

Am I missing anything?

This is what I posted on the other thread you did not respond too.

Andrea, I looked at Quirky and need someone like you that has been through the process explain it a little more to me. From I read you pay $99 to get them to look over your product. Then people like yourself review and vote on it. If it gets enough votes they do more detailed renderings and you now have to get enough people saying they want it (pre-sell) or basically get enough orders in to make it profitable for them to make the product. Then once they get enough pre-orders they make the product and fill the orders.

One thing I don’t see is any mention of patent protection before the community sees it. Also, there is no limit to how many people can jump in and contribute to an idea. You can dilute any percentage to next to nothing if enough people jump in. The site FAQ says
“30% of all top line revenue brought in by each product by sales made directly on our site, as well as 10% of indirect retail sales gets distributed to a product’s influencers….Around 40% of the above reward goes to the ideator him/herself.
There is no cap on the number of influencers.”

You mention “I am making $.49 cents per sale once it goes to market” So, does that mean it has enough pre-sales already and they are making the product or are you still at the getting enough pre-sale stage?

Thanks

http://www.rogerbrown.net

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newbie with some products that I would love to license so I went over to the Quirky site and am tempted to submit. But… there are some problems I see arising….

You sign over all IP right at the beginning, correct? what if nothing happens or worse yet they go into production but distribution is terrible essentially meaning low sales numbers and a distributor with better distribution comes along. It looks like this could be pretty risky if you have viable IP with any kind of life expectancy, you simply don’t have an out from what I see.

Second concern, they claim to be able to do an incredibly quick turn time to get into production. I’ve been in industry, there is a very slim chance (if any) that they would be building cost effectively without having time to invest into the appropriate tooling.

just a few concerns I’d have before dishing out $99 for someone to take your IP. Now that I wrote that, I deffinately would not give away my IP and pay them to take it.

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These guys at Quirky seem impressive and hopeful to become a major player…I think. There is room for many good companies like Edison Nation if they don’t go at each others throats.

I do think though they have a long way to catch up to Edison Nation and to have the leverage in the market as EN does.

There are 3 markets. Primary, secondary and then custom you may say. EN is in the primary mostly. That is the largest retailers. Next are the secondary that sell kind of different things that can’t get high volumes and then there is a 3rd market which the best example is the catalogs with far outside of the box products that can no way compete with primary markets or could even afford to “play” in that market because of slower sales.

Quirky is in the lower markets and just on the internet so far it seems…maybe in a few catalogs like Harriet Carter or something…but they are impressive and someone to watch for the future….my opinion…..which does not meet too much….but they are no Edison Nation yet.

Don’t forget….nothing is selling out there now in this economy. Only things that people really need. This makes it tough for launching products. My sales numbers are SO BAD right now…dropped so bad…it is enough for some to wanna walk away…or atleast for a while.

Matt…as far as your monster pong invention…that is going to be one of the toughest things to sell these days….it’s nobody’s fault but the economy. Also, if you launch a product you must make “the minimum numbers” or you lose. I have some products that I just can’t make the numbers so they are on hold.

I just watched a bio on CNBC. The history of Harley Davidson. Even they had some losing years in not as bad recessions and one time were forced to sell in bad times and bought the company back a few years later. Harley Davidson is probably one of the very strongest U.S. corporation’s story with a product and even they had losing years. What good is launching a product today if you will lose money???? Better off to wait it out…no?

Ron Komorowski
Inventor of Handi-Straps
www.handi-straps.com

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Hey Guys,
First, a heartfelt thanks to our own Matt Fleming for advertising for a “competitor” right here on our forums. I just hope you return the favor and tell others, including the Quirky community about Edison Nation, too.

There are a lot of differences between how Quirky does things and how we do things. Most importantly, their model is basically to pre-sell products until they hit a break-even with manufacturing so they can put in an order for a run. At that point, if the product sells well, they might put in another order if they can get significant distribution.

We start on the other end of the spectrum. We partner with the companies who can guarantee huge distribution and promotion. We’ve learned after many years in this business that the biggest hurdle isn’t developing the product, it’s getting it placed and sold everywhere – that’s how you make significant money in product development. There are a ton of really cool products that are a commercial failure because the team behind them didn’t understand this.

On a personal note Matt, we’ve never given up on you. I still strongly believe Monster Pong is one of the coolest things we’ve ever worked on! And it will triumph in the end. As a matter of fact, we rebooted our strategy for Monster Pong just a few weeks ago and it is currently in the hands of the absolute #1 manufacturer/distributor for that industry and looking good. Believe me, when it’s official, everybody will hear about it right here – I’m very excited for it!

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Andrea, I was just wondering if once and idea is chosen on QuirKy before it goes public if their team has already gotten a provisional patent or patent on it. I am just curious b/c if they don’t then the idea can just get “stolen” right? I am considering submitting a product that is a neat idea, but it is by no means my “baby” since I am really worried about everyone seeing. Thanks in advance for taking the time to answer. Happy inventing!

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Juan,
As a clarifier, I don’t really see them as competition per se – that’s why I put “competitor” in quotes. I think their process is more of a novelty and not a very strong long-term strategy for their products. The team behind Quirky has built a few different Web sites in the past several years and most of them seem to get a lot of buzz and then die off/shut down pretty quickly. One in particular promised to create crowdsourced products from idea to production in 72 hours. Needless to say, it didn’t pan out for them and they shut it down.

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Matt, thank you for jumping in this forum. It’s nice to hear from you and your thoughts. I do not believe they are apples to apples in a competitive way with EN, just my opinion. They have brought to date 10 products to production and are selling them now on their site and about 4-5 others. They have posted a good amount of communication on their forum’s and they are now looking to hire a team to go out and mass market their small store of products.

Example: The Cloak Undercover iPad case is selling now and so far (you can see status on their product page of how many have sold up to the second) they have sold over 700 units (some in pre-sale and now as it’s going to production). I think all we are saying to inventors is that if you want to TRY other outlets for your idea’s, check them out. It MAY NOT be for you, and NO they do not protect the idea prior to it going to votes, I would suggest protecting it yourself at least with a provisional and let them and the crowd know this up front.

Even if you NEVER put in your own idea’s, you can jump onto the bandwagon for someone that has been chosen and earn influence through the process. I am making .59 cents (correction) on ALL sales of the Cloak and I think Matt is somewhere around .49 cents per sale. This is the reward for being part of the group and getting your idea’s across to include logo, design, naming of the product and tag line (I came up with the tagline, that’s why I am up on the 3rd from the top in getting paid).

But, can you imagine if this product does sell to the masses and even if we make $1500 or $50,000 + over a lifetime of the product, that’s not a bad day to just give your opinion and be chosen for them!

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Andrea, thanks for clarifying :) Do they provide protection for your idea after everyone votes and you win? Thanks much!!

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I believe that is up to them, I am not sure how their process works but my guess would be yes. You can ask them by emailing them more specifics on it.

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I personally think that there is a place in the market for both Edison Nation and Quirky. They all have their advantages and so far I think EN has shown that its making great strides.

The thing I like about Quirky over EN, is that although submitting cost $99, a bit more than EN, you can contribute to someone else’s idea for free. It also allows you as an inventor to get feedback and suggestions on your idea. It also has faster results and less ambiguity with dates and deadlines. One thing I dislike about EN is its not as simple as the deadlines, things change, there are sometimes no “winners”.

To me if you get your idea selected on EN, you are more apt to make more money, sell more products, but making it there is a harder slope to climb, where on Quirky, there is less competition, but less reward also.

Getting your idea picked by EN is like winning the lottery…getting your idea picked at Quirky is like winning a scratch-off. With the lottery its a one in a million chance to win millions…with a scratch-off there’s a good chance you’ll win if you keep playing and you could win anything from $2 to millions of dollars.

I would LOVE EN to maybe offer contests/searches that take advantage of some of Quirky’s qualities like community input, feedback, etc…but utilize there approach after that.

I understand this is a business, but don’t always like how EN copes with its competitors or others who offer alternative methods.

Just my thoughts.

Jason

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Thanks for all the information Andrea :)

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Jason, it is a ton of fun and if you want to help others and get paid and not post your own, you can make money on sales for sure. EN has it’s place and so does Quirky.com.

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Matt with EN, I did post a nice forum on Edison as well a few weeks ago for those that didn’t win the vote on Quirky! :)

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Thanks Andrea :-)

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Hi Jason Garcia, Yes you are right EN is Great,but it is like winning lotto. Remember each NEW IDEA you submit Everyone is competeing against people in 50 States and Over 112 Countries WOW. THIS CROSSES MY MIND EVERYTIME I SUBMIT A NEW IDEA. BUT, REMEMBER BEING A TRUE INVENTOR IS NEVER ABOUT GIVING UP ON ANY PRODUCT. ALTHOUGH YOUR PRODUCT IS NOT SELECTED BY ANY COMPANY YOU CAN ALWAYS LOOK BACK AND SAY THERE’S NOTHING LIKE MY PRODUCT ON MARKET, AND THIS WAS TRULY MY “OWNIDEA I CAME UP WITH. INVENTORS KEEP ON KEEPING ON, AND REACH FOR THE STARS. GOOD LUCK TO EVERYONE. LINDA BYRD

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Hi Matt Fleming, I would like you to know I would really like to buy your Monster Pong. I spent Dec of 2009 and Dec of 2008 calling All over Dallas Texas trying to find MP for my now 14 year old son. NO LUCK. I am so glad you decided to e-mail EN this really answered my question for the year 2008 and 2009. DOES THIS MEAN THAT IT STILL CAN NOT BE PURCHASED? IF SO, WHEN CAN IT BE? I SENT YOU AN E-MAIL EARLIER TODAY I HOPE YOU RESPOND. I HAVE BEEN ON EN NATION IT WILL BE ONE YEAR THIS MONTH. I HAD TO RE-SUBCRIBE TO BE A GOLD MEMBER AGAIN. HOPE TO HEAR FROM YOU SOON BY E-MAIL. CONGRADULATIONS, ON YOUR PRODUCTS. LINDA BYRD

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RE: “As a clarifier, I don’t really see them as competition per se – that’s why I put “competitor” in quotes.”

Agreed – I read it as being a complimentary or alternative channel rather than a competitor.

My take is the more channels the better – for inventors, the markets, and the customers.

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@Joseph: We will see how legit Quirky is. But it is clear that products are actually being produced. I am not sure if people have gotten paid yet (actually, I think there is a photo of one inventor getting his first $3000 check). But it seems they actually do something, and they do it quick (sometimes too quick, in my opinion). Half the team is actually in China now finalizing tooling on 3 more productions (on top of 8 others, out of about 30+ invention rounds).

@Roger: though you asked Andrea, let me share my thoughts, as well. both marketing and inventive folks can make money. If you invent, you can make a standard percentage (40% for the original idea, i think around 5% for industrial design, name, logo, and tagline). Of those, they cannot be diluted. But some other folks can earn negligible percentage for voting and filling out surveys, which can be diluted depending on the number of other folks in the pool. In addition, anyone can earn 10% via affiliate links.

-For example…my invention, the Wrapster, which i pitched over a month ago, is now going into production (i had to submit it twice). It sells for $6.50. As the inventor, I am supposed to get $0.74 for each one sold. If I, or anyone, get people to purchase it via a personalized referral link, we get 10% ($0.65 per unit). It almost sounds too good to be true, so we will actually wait and see.

- As far as patent protection before the community sees it: i don’t think there is any. I am not even sure if Quirky goes on to protect the winning idea (but they do retain all rights to it, I think). But maybe they do. If you are worried about your idea being stolen, I guess it could, in theory, because everyone sees it. But one could argue that if it was a good idea, it would be voted in, and if not that round, you can submit it to following rounds for $10 only, so it should eventually win if it is a good idea worth stealing. You are up against about 30 other inventions that round, and honestly, about 5, on average, seem viable.

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@Scott: you are right, you lose IP if your idea wins. So yes, Quirky owns it, so if they sit on it, screw it up, change it, or it doesn’t sell, i think you are out of luck.
-and yes, their turn around time is very quick. sometimes I worry too quick. development, design, tooling, marketing, etc may all potentially suffer based on the speed of everything.

@Roger: you make good points about Quirky and EN. As far as Monster Pong, I have low to no expectations, and only a modicum of hope. It could be due to the economy, in addition (IMO) that EE and EN, like Quirky, may take on too many projects too quickly, so their time, attention, and energy may get spread too thin.

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@Matt: you seem sarcastic with your opening gratitude, but I am not sure. you also seem snide in reference to Quirky, but I can’t be sure about that either. But I do agree with most of your assessment of them.

QUIRKY:
-seeking any quick and whimsical ideas that you probably wouldn’t pursue on your own. everything will be considered.
-the community discusses each, collaborates, critiques, then votes. there is a fun sense of engagement and brainstorming, riffing off each other. everyone is invited to flex their ideation muscle.
-Quirky themselves decides on the winning idea, design, logo, name, and tagline; they take the votes into account as one factor. Like EN, they can tend to be silent in their deliberation, but I took them to task on this and they have promised to share with everyone some of their concerns and decisions publicly as they make their choices.
-Chances of winning are about 1/30, if not slightly more because you can resubmit for only $10 (most of the recent wins have been resubmissions).
-Likely financial gain: minimal at this point. there is no guaranteed distributor, or that your winning idea will even be produced (but the crowd decides that with pre-orders). Product quality I am not even sure of. And yes, Ben’s (the head of Quirky) track record concerns me.

EN:
-seeking specific ideas in certain areas, so you either need to react and invent an idea once the latest LPS is announced, or hope that the idea that you have had for a while applies.
-there is no community collaboration around the ideas and process. everything is shrouded in secrecy and litigation. most of the community discourse (regarding the process) is people discussing how far their idea currently is (eg. “we can’t discuss my idea, but it is currently G6”).
-EN is silent on the feedback (at least when i did it), but i never asked for some, so maybe they will give feedback on one’s idea if you request it. You need EN to choose you, then you need the distributor to choose you.
-Chances of getting chosen: unknown, but I suspect way less then 1/30.
-Financial gain: probably high, due to established and reputable distribution partners.

Bottom line: Quirky and EN serve two different markets, and both can work for you, depending on your idea, your needs, your patience, how much you like the process of community brainstorming, how much you want to make, etc.

But here is my experience with both:
I thought of two dirt cheap inventions, made out of one piece of plastic.
(1) A long time ago, one of these inventions won the first first LPS (Spencer’s). I got my $2500. It seems like 2 years ago and I have heard nothing about whether or not it will get made. Jason Garcia, meanwhile, took his more expensive idea directly to Spencer’s, and recently got feedback from them that it is in production (congrats, dude…inspiring).
(2) Two months ago, I submitted my other invention to Quirky. I was getting daily feedback from the community on what they thought. I lost to the IPad case, but won the next round. Quirky chose a different (their own) design, I challenged this, they had a revote, and my design won. Then, I got daily feedback on the exact number of orders coming in as it got closer to the pre-order threshold. Today it crossed the 720 unit mark, so it is supposed to be produced. Will the actual product suck? will it sell? will i make more then $2500? We shall see. But at least it is something. Meanwhile, my LPS product is lost in silent obscurity, for who knows why (nobody has updated me about despite recent requests).

Finally, Matt, regarding Monster Pong. I am glad to hear that you seem positive about MP, and appreciate your sentiments. Like I said, I hold out a little, but some, hope. But it seems that the odds are against me. Looking at the EE batting average, it seems to have dropped significantly from season 1 to season 2. I am happy for Mike and Emery Cat. But other then that, I am not sure who to be happy for (maybe the Book Jax guys?). I would love for nothing more then you and EE to prove me wrong and make me eat my words. But until then, I am saddened, and people have begun to ask me less about MP, but when they do, it sure doesn’t feel good.

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@Jason: well put. i think you summed up the difference between Quirky and EN well. you have always seemed to have a balanced and honest view of EN. thanks for sharing.

@Bob: you nailed it in two sentences. Matt did seem dismissive of Quirky, but I could be mistaken. But I would argue that Quirky is also better for EN. I read a study that when Starbucks moved into a local coffee house’s neighborhood, their sales actually went up 25%.
We all win as we get more chances to flex our creative muscles, when we are called to ideate more. As we all get better at inventing and ideating, and as the public becomes more aware of invention crowdsourcing opportunities, EN will make more money.

@Linda: thanks for your message and support and passion. Monster Pong is still not on the market yet, but Matt’s latest update should give us a little more hope that maybe one day your son will be playing it. If not, I plan to show him, and others (via youtube), how to make their own version (like the prototype I played on the show) for under $50. This version won’t be guitar pick shaped or have the score keeper like EE’s, but it will be height and angle adjustable (great for kids!).

@Matt: FYI, i forgot to respond to your point: i did try to return the favor in that I actually sought out several inventors at Quirky, and based on their inventions there, referred them directly to the current EN LPS that would match their inventions.

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Matt, When I researched your MP the information i retrieved was they were working on stability of the MP. IS THIS TRUE? CAN YOU COMMENT ON EXACTLY WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS? I would really like to know. Your product is such a needed game because of the Fun involved and it also being Portable. LET’S FACE IT WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU SAW SOMEONE DRAGGING AROUND A FULL SIZE PING PONG TABLE TO ANY FUNCTION? I ALWAYS WANTED TO BUY MY SON A PING P TABLE BUT NEVER HAD ENOUGH ROOM FOR ONE. THIS IS WHY I WAS SOOO EXCITED TO SEE MP. IF YOU CAN’T COMMENT ON THIS I UNDERSTAND. I WISH YOU GOOD LUCK WHATEVER ROAD YOU TAKE. LINDA B

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In an effort to keep this thread ACADEMIC as it relates to the power of brand and the role it plays in product development, instead of the thread going EMOTIONAL as it relates to good vs. evil…

I would highly recommend that everyone check out:

Marty Neumeier’s INNOVATION WORKSHOP: Brand Strategy + Design Thinking = Transformation, DVD

This DVD will bring up some good points that will challenge “what you know” or rather what you thought you new about maintaining a competitive advantage and the role that a powerful brand plays in that process.

A quick summary of the DVD is that it looks at the barriers to competition throughout the industrial revolution. In the beginning you had the barrier to competition if you could own the means of production – usually a factory. Which then in an effort to own factories evolved into the next barrier to competition which became access to capital. When access to capital became relatively easy the next barrier to competition became intellectual property. But with the new pace of technology making products obsolete overnight the IP barrier to competition is starting to show some cracks. That brings us to the present with the best barrier to competition being a strong brand.

In conclusion, the barriers to competition have moved from the physical realm to the intellectual realm. Your brand is not what you say it is. It is what the consumer thinks it is. The barriers to competition have moved from within a company’s control to outside of it!

EN and Quirky both serve a different market segment today, but I think Quirky (or a model like Quirky’s) will serve the product development market of the future.

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I should add that I think EN is the product development power house of today. And like other power house companies of the past they can choose to adapt in order to secure their power house status into the future.

I hope the leadership of EN watches the DVD, goes through the provided exercise worksheets, and lets me know what they thought of the process. I only wish the best for EN, and my honest feedback is that I think they have some adapting necessary to secure their future.

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As to what I am doing in my latest round of business model adaptation, I have pasted a letter below that I sent out to my network earlier this week. I provide this letter not for the purpose of luring EN members over to Quirky, but simply to point out that I am taking the same “medicine” that I prescribed above in my last post. I came across new information, saw an opportunity to shift/add to my existing business model, and I acted on it.

The IP model has flaws and will break. The power of brand and crowd sourcing is the way of the future. What are YOU going to do about it?

Hello,

I’m sending you this email because you are a creative person, have an interest in my work, and may be interested in earning some money.

Quirky.com

I learned about Quirky.com two weeks ago and I am very excited about the Quirky business model because they are doing many of the things that I want to do as it relates to product development and going from idea to market all under one roof.

What makes Quirky special?

The quick summary of what makes Quirky special is that each week the user community votes one idea to take to market, and then in one week the user community (30,000 people and growing) collaborates on that idea to figure out the industrial design, packaging, brand name, tag line, logo, etc. Then that idea goes into pre-sales and once the pre-sales threshold is met that product becomes a reality.

By engaging the user community in the product development, there will be legions of product evangelists who will preach the wonders of the Quirky products (which they helped create), and, in exchange, Quirky will take the world stage for not just having the best grassroots marketing campaign the world has ever seen, but for reinventing the very process by which products are brought to market.

What will I do with Quirky?

As a career inventor, I have many investments in the “old” model of IP and how products are brought to market. For many of my projects I am likely too deep and entrenched to benefit from the Quirky model. However, it is at my personal core to remain flexible, adaptable, and always on the lookout for the next great opportunity.

I went through my invention portfolio and of the hundreds of ideas contained within I selected 5 to submit to Quirky. These were ideas that I thought did not warrant the time and expense of the patent process, but nonetheless, ideas that I thought were worthy of bringing to market. These were the ideas that I thought would leverage the highest returns from the crowd sourcing Quirky model. Additionally, I looked for ideas that could retail for around $10.

Starting today I will post one invention on Quirky every week for the next five weeks. I may post more after that. These five weeks will be a trial run. If you would like to see what these 5 inventions are and potentially vote for them, I have included a link below to register as a Quirky member. All that is required to register is your name and email.

What’s in it for you?

The best part about your participation in this effort is that if you vote for my idea and it wins product of the week you will have just earned “influence” in the idea. Influence means that you will get paid a perpetual royalty from my product just for having voted for it, getting paid every time a unit sells. If you continue to contribute for the whole week of development coming up with brand names, tag lines, etc. you will continue to earn more “influence” in the product and have an even larger royalty paid to you every time my product sells another unit.

So, to break it down, if you spend 5 minutes doing nothing more than registering and voting for my product, and my product goes on to sell hundreds of thousands of units, you will likely make thousands of dollars. No catch.

Whatever your motivation for involvement, please consider engaging in some out-of-field learning and fun for the next five weeks by registering and voting at Quirky today.

Thank you for your support!

JARED

PS
The Quirky influence engine gives a higher percentage of influence to those who vote earliest. So register now and start voting!

http://www.quirky.com/?r=06845e582517c3a8150407...

PPS
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I love all of this information. It gives the person considering using EN or Quirky a better insight to each companies method. I wanted to point out a couple of things that I see are missing.

Quirky owns the IP EN you still retain ownership
Quirky seems to be faster than EN to market, due to pre-sales
Quirky you see feedback faster due to voting, EN does not really give feedback but does not use voting as a scale to pick the winner.

Now here are observations I have noticed. With Quirky you are at the mercy of the demographic of the voters. Example: If the majority of the voters on line that week are male between 25 and 35 and your idea is geared towards kids 5-10 your chances are slim to get voted in. If they are majority female and your idea is a hunting item you have the same issue. Your voting audience will always be a factor of win or lose. As you stated above you got picked up once you resubmitted the second week. It wold be interesting to know the demographics the week you lost versus the week you won. With Quirky you basically have to win over the viewing audience.
With EN you have to win over the company sponsoring the search. Same issues but from a different angle. The EN reviewers are looking for a mass market idea that fits the consumer base of the sponsor. If you do your research on the company you have a good idea where you need to target your pitches. If it is a toy company you don’t send in woman’s apparell. With Quirky you can have a tech idea going against a gardening idea. With Quirky you are the driving force to get your pre-sales up to the point it is profitable for Quirky to fill the pre-orders. With EN you have to have a product that the sponsor believes his target market will buy.
So, they each reach the end goal using different methods. You have to decide which one fits you best.

http://www.rogerbrown.net

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Yes Roger you are correct in all of what you say on your post. I know that a lot of the people on the quirky site are male between the ages of 18-30, this poses exactly the issues you bring up for leaning a certain way on the votes. BUT QUIRKY has the final say, they have picked up winners that had little votes and completely went around the most voted for and this has happened quite a few times. Voting is part of the process, Quirky has the final say in the end.

They are heavy into tech, but we have seen different types of products get made and some of the flopped and probably won’t make it to the masses. They are ok with that, I don’t know how the people that got picked feel as now they may want to take it elsewhere for license, which poses another issue.

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Here’s my problem with Quirky. I have some ideas that I would consider throwing in to the ring over there. But the $99 is a deterrent. I am a stay at home mom. From what I can tell if my idea is not chosen, I lose that cash. Apparently I can resubmit for $10 a pop, but again if I’m not chosen, now I’ve lost $109, etc. Like others have said, you don’t know who’s voting on your idea. With EN, at least you know what they are looking for. Quirky may manufacture chosen products faster, but from a quick glance at the site, they are selling through only a handful of online sites, most I have never heard of. So your idea may get produced, but will it get sales??

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Margaret, you are right, but you can still jump on the winners bandwagon and make money. My first check will be around $360 for pre-sales on the Cloak Undercover. You don’t have to put in your own idea’s at all. They are hiring a sales force and looking for staff to sell their products. They are in China right now as we speak getting the last 5 products out and on the market to make sure that they push them to get them out. I would say that in the least, you can get paid for voting and influence, it’s fun, you should try it! EN is a great company as well, different ball game altogether!

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it is very clear there is no other firm like EdisonNation that can give you more bang for the buck. for example once your idea is submitted it goes through a IP search and review ,research&design, also a final IP review at a cost of $25.00. if you went to a firm that performs patent searches, you may pay $300.00 or more.

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Andrea,

I’m definitely going to give the influencing thing a whirl. Seems like that could be fun.

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zabber's Avatar

Margaret, hope you will vote for my new idea this week (it’s a re-post) had a ton of votes but quirky picked a frosty faces…it’s a ear piece holder, check it out!

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Hello Susan, we are currently working on a Success page which will feature Edison Nation inventors and their inventions. In the meantime, please check out our blog post on the SIX Edison Nation products that were launched at the Housewares show!

http://blog.edisonnation.com/?p=3106

Thanks

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Hey guys, intereresting topic, I am a member of both sites and stand to gain a good amount of money through the Cloak sales.

I will say that to me the sites are totally different. I have many ideas that I’d never put on Quirky due to the fact that once its posted, thousands can see it and if someone has the resources they can beat your idea to market. The worst case scenario would be to have a great idea on Quirky and lose. Your idea has been shown to the world and your out of luck.

So for me, my bigger, more well thought out, more time and money invested ideas go to EN. At least for first try, because currently EN has a better chance of getting your idea in front of major retailers and your idea is not exposed to the masses. If the idea is rejected multiple times by EN I’d consider it for Quirky, if I think it had potential to win on there.

While on the other hand, a Ipad Case for instance was something I felt Quirky was a lot more apt to handle because of their background, and speed to production.

Bottom line is we should be thankful that we have these avenues to go through as inventors. Both the founders of EN and Quirky did not have to start up these organizations to help independent inventors. We must remember that and not take them for granted. It’s a hard road going it alone…

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mtm2009's Avatar

Andrea, I am hoping to submit an idea next week! Where is your earpiece holder submission? I cannot find it, is it going to be included in the next round which starts in a couple hours?

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zabber's Avatar

Hi Maria, the earpiece holder will be on tomorrow for the new round this week! Thanks for the vote! Let me know what you submit…we need more ladies on quirky!

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Andrea, I found your submission by clicking on the snowman face then I clicked on product evaluation and searched through the old submissions for yours :) I think it is a very good idea with high demand. Good luck in it this time!

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marlasball's Avatar

Hello, Everyday Edisons is the TV show produced by the Edison Nation team. Cantastic actually came from the first ASOTV Live Product Search, and the Burger Baker, Burger Stuffer and Bag Filler came from the Lifetime Brands Live Product Search.

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Hey Michael! I agree with you totally, very different approaches and I would watch what I put on quirky as well. Funny, I actually have a provisional on something similar on quirky that won, I couldn’t really become part of the crowd on that one as it could be a risk on my part. I have a similar yet different idea but either way, first to market gets the worm. My idea was from years ago and put it up on ASOTV and got an axe yesterday. Anyway, seems like at some point we have come across people or companies who have similar ideas.

Thanks Marla, it will be nice to see more about your winners!

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They are updating their new payout system! It’s after 5 on in NY, that’s why you are getting that message! Come back in a bit!

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