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Hello everyone,

I am not a long time registered member of this Forum but I have read it on/off for several years and only joined recently. I am much like many of you, someone with an idea that has done a lot reading and research on the internet and taken some steps towards bringing a new product to market.

I have read some of the recent posts and I am a bit confused with what’s going on “Housecleaning?” I think I understand the gist of it all, which leads to my point and question.

With the recent housecleaning or changes and I mean this is the most appropriate and sensitive way…

Is Edison Nation still a stable and viable option to submit an idea(s) too?

I do not ask this question implying any disrespect or anything derogatory, I am interested in submitting an idea to Edison Nation and I am slightly confused if now or soon is an appropriate time.

Please pardon my ignorance on going-ons around the forums, I simply have an idea and I am not so sure if I can take it to the next level myself and I am strongly considering Edison Nation’s help.

Best regards,

Chase

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Chase I was wondering about the post about cleaning house. I also wonder why the product searches from out side compenies are so few and in between, I log on daily too see if their any new product searches only to be let down. i dont know what the post adout edision cleaning house.

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Chase -


Good morning and welcome to Edison Nation. I can affirm to you that Edison Nation can most definitely handle your innovation concepts, as many recent announced licensing deals can attest to. 

In regards to any "housecleaning" that you mention, Edison Nation has many members, and over the years many come and go and that is expected, as folks interests change or feel as if they don't have ideas, or want to pursue other paths, and while we hate to see a member go, we certainly understand and wish them the best on whatever path they choose. 

We have had numerous searches that just closed over the past several weeks, and we have additional that will be announced in very near future.

Vondeward, this was actually referred to and spoken about in Room 5 last week, where we even gave a heads up to Insiders as to the product categories that would be involved.

Hope this clears up any question you had Chase. 

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Scott & E.N. staff

Thank you for quick response, I am person that is simply seeking information and thoughtfully considering Edison Nation as my partner for an idea of course! Edison Nation is just more than a partner for an idea though, as a contractual agreement provides, they are the negotiator of licensing deals and receive a 50% financial stake in successfully licensed ideas/products that transpire through normal course of business with what Edison Nation does.

I am certainly not up to date on everything on this Forum and/or in the invention and product licensing world, but I can say that I have read for many years about inventing, licensing, and business in general. I was a regular member of an old and now closed forum that maybe some will remember (I.S.) and can remember a few names that regularly posted there and here in the past.

Sometimes people have an idea and come to a Forum such as this and think it’s for sure the next million dollar idea and no-one has ever thought of such a thing. With time, research, and an appropriate attitude, they come to the realization that inventing a “really” new product is a very difficult thing to-do and it takes a lot of time to successfully do it properly. So, I completely understand the comings and goings of persons on internet forums like this, certainly over a long period of time and especially for something even more rare such as Inventing. Individuals that choose to move on and do other things with their time is normal and inventing is hard-game when anyone "really" looks at the black and white facts.

I would like to ask if Edison Nation feels comfortable sharing with us “Not-in-the-Know” who is successfully in charge of licensing and/or marketing? I am not attempting to be disruptive, but I would feel more comfortable about submitting an idea to people I am unfamiliar with, if I was able to know more about them and what they bring to the table?

I have watched some videos on Y.T. but the newest one is going on nearly a year old and I can only spend some much time searching this forum before I need to do other things.  

I have found almost all of my personal winnings and successes in life have boiled down to successful negotiation, I feel it’s one of the most important aspects to be considered with something such as successfully licensing a new product.

Best regards,

Chase

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Hi Chase,

Scott is our Vice President of Licensing and handles all deals on our community's behalf. I am the Communications Director and head marketing.

Hope this clarifies!

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Chase:

Two quick points for you:

1. The term "housecleaning" used in a forum thread title here is perhaps misleading - it's often used to refer to a reduction in staff - Edison Nation has not reduced staff, in fact it has actually recently *increased* staff. "Housecleaning" was used by a member to refer to the fact that a few longtime members decided not to participate anymore but from what I can see Edison Nation as an organization is stronger than ever.

2. I can tell you personally that after more than 6 years of participation with Edison Nation that I trust its people implicitly, and in particular I trust Scott Dromms and the Licensing Team to negotiate and otherwise handle all aspects of the licensing and eventual commercialization of my inventions.

Chase Fisher
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A quick Thank You to responders of this topic. 

I welcome everyone with something positive,constructive or real to add, to join the topic. 

Please, serious replys or thoughtfulness is appreciated. 

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Hi Chase, welcome.  I was the person who started "Did EN Houseclean" thread.  As Robert said, It was probably a bit mis-titled - Sorry, I've been keeping late nights with my own project.

I do believe EN does provide some valuable help for inventors on the forums and as educational aids.  But I continue to wonder the backstory as to why so many people left EN, actually closing their accounts. It has me backtracking to Vet EN a bit more deeply before I send more ideas to them for future consideration.

For instance, I still don' t know how many people on Edison Nation's staff there as full-time employees.  Are there outside consultants and if so what provisions protect our confidential submissions are handled. How do we know this for sure? 

Of the people currently employed as staff or at large how many of these folks are inventors themselves or successfully brought a product to market on their own and what was it and when?   And by product, let me define that as a  'physical' product, rather than the current trend I see of people monetizing information through Blog's, or membership fees for access to others expertise. 

What products did these folks actually bring to market, and how were those items received in the marketplace, if any at all?

Of those with NO Inventing experience of their own, then what specific expertise these people have to accurately 'field' and idea for marketability?  I ask this because after I learned about the relationship between the Engineering Arm of EN (Enventys) and the folks that are on staff there, It makes perfect sense to me as to WHY My ideas got rejected.  Just look at the staff profile - in my case, there was absolutely no one there I felt could relate to the problem that my items solved because that group of people was with all due respect, just too 'young' to have experienced the problems that my product solves. Yet, my market is one of the largest demographics in the entire world (Aging population). I wish I had known this up front, I would have saved the submission fee and not wasted my time.  I made my $20 pitch to the WRONG Demographic. 

If EN is dedicated to helping Inventors BE Successful,  I think a significant step would be to publish more about the people that touch our ideas.  Insights into the Staff Members roles/expertise/interests.  That would say a lot to me.  Also, it would allow me to better tailor my new 'pitch' for the best chances of success.

Finally, on the 'blocking' of members comment, I get that Policy is Policy, etc. But what rubbed me the wrong way and still does is WHY were those Members NOT informed Of the Block when it was placed.  My understanding is that they found out 'after the fact'. Not cool  I would be upset. Anyone would be.

I am making these comments because I do think EN has good intent, I can only imagine what is going on behind the scenes right now with all these latest concerns.  But I also see it as an opportunity to 'clear the air' for good once and for all.  I do think that public disclosure of some of the inner workings of EN would say a lot to the community about EN's credibility in the marketplace as a trusted source for Inventors.

Comments welcome. Best CD

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There have been a lot of post concerning this issue and I could not resist commenting any longer (apologies).. With any kind of a relationships there are always disagreements and frustrations, heck that is why you can have family members and married couples separate or divorce from each other after lengthy and very productive relationships.

The thing I have come to realize is when there is a disagreement it’s best for both sides to take a moment to reflect on what had kept you together prior to the “break-up”. We all tend to remember and emphasize the worst 10% or latest and react to it rather than remember the 90%.

We all get our feelings hurt and sometimes lose focus on what really matters. Since we are all humans, people will make mistakes and people will misconstrue things. I really can appreciate EN (Michelle) admitting a mistake as very few people or organizations do (I do not need to know the details),  I think it’s important for each serious inventor to put themselves in the shoes of EN.

I’ve been a member here for almost 10 years now with varying levels of failure and success. A lot of people have spoken to their trustworthiness and positive impact to the inventor community including myself and many of the actual individuals who have recently left. From what I can see, the only changes I am aware of are generally for the better. There have been a bunch of regular, VALUABLE ongoing members and participants in the forums who have left over the years, some have comeback and some not.. and I’m sure that will continue (just normal ebb and flow). In any regard, I do not necessarily agree with everything EN does (nor the members either), but like they say with AMERICA’s legal system.. it’s the WORST system in the world, until you compare it to all others. :-) 

Anyway, I wish everyone well, BUT this EN thing continues to be a primary resource which gives a level of comfort for me and I appreciate it’s existence.

My two cents.

Chase Fisher
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 Hi Crystal-Diane,

 Just to clarify on a couple of those who have had all of their post removed. They were not just uninformed, they were allowed to actually see their posts when they had been deleted. Michelle explained yesterday that it must have been a glitch in the system... 

 And good job Chase!  ; )

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Dear Crystal-Diane,

As I have always indicated to existing and new members, it is important to vet any company that you are sharing your information with. Edison Nation is small company start-up company and the team here is made up of folks who come from a variety of different backgrounds. Folks that evaluate ideas have experience from retail sales, sourcing, engineering, brand licensing and consumer products development. All employees that review products are trained before they start evaluating ideas to ensure that each person that evaluates each idea has thoroughly researched the idea against the criteria for the search and requirements for the stage.

I personally am not an inventor and have not brought a product to market on my own. Does that mean that I don't believe in and respect others that do? It does not. I think my personal expertise brings a lot to the evaluation process. I look at products objectively because I'm not an inventor. I look at the product as a consumer and someone who can review the product for licensing opportunities where there may be holes in the market. That's my background and I'm not alone on the team. 

An idea is never moved forward or declined based on the evaluation of one person. Final decisions on products are made by the evaluation team as a whole to ensure there is no bias. Remember, the goal of Edison Nation is to get ideas commercialized - we want to get as many great ideas out in front of as many possible partners as we can. We do not benefit from any product unless a deal is done.

I'd be happy to share the full details of my story and highlight backgrounds of other team members and I thank you for that suggestion. Do understand, with your idea in particular, and I will not go into detail because these forums are public, the age of folks who reviewed the product did not have any influence of our decision not to pursue the product. In that instance, other products and IP was cited that would have prohibited Edison Nation from obtaining a patent which is why the idea was declined. If you'd like, I can provide you with specifics in a direct email.

Crystal-Diane, we are not a company that hides information. For those folks that were muted, as I outlined in a previous thread, our process is to review muted members as a team to determine the next best course of action. Two of those members opted to delete their accounts during this evaluation time which did not allow us to reach out, and I have actually exchanged emails with one of them today to discuss the situation further. 

I understand that perhaps we may not be the best fit for you based on your ongoing concerns shared in these forums, and that's okay. I respect that and wish you the best working on your own project. 

Thank you.

Robert Pontius
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hi Michelle, I noticed Crystal Diane brought up a very good question? Does EN use or have they ever used outside freelancers to Shop our ideas around? Knowing this would go a long way in explaining to at least myself how so many of my submissions would coincidentally or not, end up on store shelves without me. Thanks! 

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Hi Michael,

Edison Nation does not hire freelancers to pitch products. 

To go one step further, if Edison Nation did secure a field agent to pitch products - a field agent being someone in the licensing space who could pitch products to a brand, etc. - those folks would be subject to a field agent agreement which includes the same confidentiality mandates as our standard Edison Nation employee agreements.

Hope this clarifies!

Chase Fisher
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Oh Wow! So are you saying that Edison  Nation is or has used field agents?

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Michael - on a few select occasions in the past we have worked with what we define as a field agent. Typically you are looking at an individual that through their prior work experience may have a former employer that could be a great fit for EN community members. The individual may have extensive experience in a specific product category with mutliple connections that would open doors for more opportunities for EN community members ideas so from a business development standpoint, a strategic relationship is developed. The key to success that we see over the years is having a champion for your idea, not only with EN, but as important is having a partner company, where there is that innovative spirited individual that will campaign internally inside that companies walls for our community as well.

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Crystal-Diane:

I for one don’t care if EN staff have never invented a single thing (I don't know how many of them are inventors themselves) – *I* am an inventor and I want help with the other (less fun for me) stuff that goes into product development. I can get that help from professionals in marketing, engineering, sales, licensing, etc. even if they have no interest in inventing themselves.

On another point, it's a fallacy to think that a person who is not IN a certain demographic can’t recognize a product that would appeal to that demographic. Note a few recent examples of products EN and its "young" staff is developing or bringing to market:

- Assistive Walkers for the elderly and disabled

- Product for helping those with trouble emptying their bladders

- Product inspired by a 99-year-old and trouble administering medication

http://blog.edisonnation.com/2016/10/six-licensing...

K J
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On these occasions we try to leverage the connections of that individual to broaden the reach of EN, and get into some doors that need some nudging, or where that individual may have former colleagues that they know to speak with, whom they know to be internal supporters of external innovation.

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Hi all,

Thank you for your attention to this particular post. I am usually a science-based fact finding type of person most of the time; and so it only comes naturally to me to ask questions. I don't intend in any way for this topic to become off topic from what I have asked.

I appreciate the concerns of those that have posted and it’s something that is a bit beyond me to personally reply to individual comments because I am not familiar with everything going on around here or the individual circumstances of everyone that posts on this Forum.

With that being said I would be interested in seeing more from Edison Nation with behind the scenes type stuff that really matters to the common man/woman. There seems to be a lot of hype surrounding the whole industry and that is a whole other topic, but a closer look at who we “Inventors” will trust our aspirations, dreams, and many “sometimes countless” hours of work to would be a very satisfying touch to the community, in my opinion.

Please take what I say with a bit of a grain of salt, I have been here for awhile and I hope I am discussing something worth talking about, in no way do I mean for this to turn ugly, disrespectful, or become muted.

Always best regards,

Chase

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Chase: 

You're asking some entirely legit questions and the mere fact that you're doing your due diligence before submitting indicates that you have valuable ideas that you need to protect.

That said, some of your concerns can (in my opinion) only be answered by EXPERIENCE. One of your main initial questions was whether NOW is an appropriate time to make a submission given various things you've heard alluded to. My suggestion as a long-term member is that now is just as appropriate a time as any other (if and when you are ready) - Edison Nation is now just as "stable and viable" as it ever was.

K J
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Thank you Robert, I appreciate your time! 

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Hey Chase,

Just home from a busy day and maybe now I can address some of your concerns as I see them...and yes, everybody has their own opinion as to "what is".

While I have the utmost high regards for many of the folks here and their insights, I, like them can be a bit obsessed by my own observations.

I will start with Robert's last statement, as I must say that I couldn't disagree more (Robert is awesome btw!) and I think it is at the heart of all of this.

I truly don't see E.N. as stable and viable as ever and that is not to cast blame on anyone. In fact I truly have been blessed to be a part of chasing the IP dream with so many amazing people as I have come to know them.

But the fact is, Edison Nation as an integral part of the innovation equation, has evolved from a tv show with no members, to one that is now solely based on the internet with over 100,000 members. 

Are contracts still important to them? Sure of course. Is that their only source of income at this point? No, of course not. 

You see, when this all came about, E.N. (Everyday Edison's) searched high and low across the Country for only 10 ideas. 10 ideas that they could develop and protect. No company in their right mind would even consider ripping off this kind of high profile, well proclaimed IP! No way!

But now, with thousands upon thousands of online submitted concepts within their data base, and thousands of eyes exposed to these ideas, it just isn't humanly possible to keep some of these ideas from slipping through the cracks.

No ones fault per se, but the nature of the ever evolving beast without a doubt.

There was the change in U.S. patent laws that took us from "first to invent" to "first to file" and with freelance agents/field agents, whatever you want to call them...having access to E.N.'s database, and yes, this happened a lot, now that I have checked with a reliable source, there has been a huge change in the risk of yours and my submissions falling prey to first hand, second hand plagiarism. Anyone who denies this, either doesn't have all the facts, or doesn't want to.    

Add to that the fact that E.N. does not, by their own public admission, pursue any breach of the NDA contracts that are signed at presentation, and you have a recipe for potential plagiarism.

I personally have been at this for for 38 years and if I have learned anything, it is these two things: what is more than a coincidence and when someone is spinning a story. Call it a curse, but it is as they say, what it is.

So here's the bottom line my friend, there are two issues on the table that have gone rogue to reason,

First:  Your submissions are protected by an NDA that E.N. will not protect if it should be copied by a company who has viewed it either by presentation or through one of their independent contractors who has access to their data base. And this fact is a public disclosure by E.N. for all to see, including their clients.

Second: E.N., who has reluctantly agreed to look into at least one of my claims of possible plagiarism, has been unsuccessful in tracking down the origin of a single contract.

If there was a third, it would be their resistance to being a little more "on our side" throughout this "crises".  

This, for me has been unacceptable and the reason why I for one, am at a standstill to pursue doing business with Edison Nation as a company.

Please note, I am not a disgruntled "wannabe", I have been to presentation over 60 times and for over 6 years I would have been the first to defend E.N. and in fact, I still think very highly of the staff and owners of Edison Nation, but their business model became the frog in the boiling water of the new patent laws in an ever aggressive Capitalistic society of business as usual. 

Hope this helps to clarify...  

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Glad to hear from you Michael. I wish for you, and everyone else, nothing but the best in wharever endeavors you choose to follow.

Be well my friend.

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Thanks William! And all I wish for you as well my friend!

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I don't usually post in the forums, but I can tell you from experience that E.N. is the real deal.

I submitted a product a friend and I had been working on to a search and, long story short, it ended up going through As Seen On TV testing. That means that E.N. reviewed the submission, created some prototypes, filed the necessary paperwork, created an awesome commercial (in true ASOTV style) and ran it though television testing. The product did not pass the testing, but E.N. gave me some good feedback on why and how the process worked. 

As you can imagine, it was painful to see something we had been working on ultimately not generate enough interest to make it into full scale production, but the experience was very exciting. I imagine it was painful for E.N. as well because they had to have spent thousands of dollars and E.N. stood to make just as much as we would have. 

I guess it depends on what your expectations are for the money you spend and how willing you are to put your product in the hands of someone else who, if successful, will keep half of what your product makes.

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Michael, 

What William said and I also want to thank you for sharing your wisdom and Love with this community.

You have always been thoughtful, kind and supportive of all here. You have inspired

Blessings

Mahalo my brother

Michael Heagerty
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Thanks Charlie! I have been meaning to email you back and will soon my brother!

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I want to say that I was not commenting on the strength of edison nation. The life a inventor is filled with more scam and money pits then honest opportunity, so it natrual to be warry and ask alot of questions. I do belive edison nation is the real deal and I am willing too give it a shot. All I was say is that more searches would be nice, but that is my opinion.To what micheal said, I do not think your are wrong. My father was an happy unsuccessful inventor and he told me two things: That being an inventor is one of the most fulfling things one can do with thier life. And second that being an inventor can mean living in quiet desperation and if this happens just keep inventing. Happy inventing everyone!

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Good afternoon,

I want to take this opportunity to directly respond to prior comments about Edison Nation to provide clarification around inaccurate facts that have been represented within this thread. My responsibility to you as a community is to share information and provide factual answers to you. The bolded text that appears below is fact and Edison Nation policy - it is not being “spun” in any way.

Due to the word limit, this will be done over two posts...


Edison Nation as an integral part of the innovation equation, has evolved from a tv show with no members, to one that is now solely based on the internet with over 100,000 members.

This is correct. Edison Nation as an online company was created to provide opportunities for all inventors who had an idea to share that idea no matter their location in the world. When Everyday Edisons started, while many auditioned for the show, only 10 inventors were chosen which left many without an avenue. We are now over 154,000 members strong and continue to grow every day.

When this all came about, E.N. (Everyday Edison's) searched high and low across the Country for only 10 ideas. 10 ideas that they could develop and protect. No company in their right mind would even consider ripping off this kind of high profile, well proclaimed IP!

This is correct, as indicated above, thousands were auditioned and 10 were selected. Those that chose to audition signed innovator agreements prior to pitching to ensure that their ideas remained confidential during the audition process. For those 10 that were selected each season, if IP was not filed by the inventor, the show handled those filings to ensure that any ideas shown on the show publicly were protected.

But now, with thousands upon thousands of online submitted concepts within their database, and thousands of eyes exposed to these ideas, it just isn't humanly possible to keep some of these ideas from slipping through the cracks.

This is not the case.

Protection of ALL ideas submitted through our system is our top priority. Each and every idea that is evaluated within the Edison Nation submission system is done by a team of employees who are under contractual obligations as employees of the company to keep all ideas confidential. This confidentiality continues during and after employment may end.

There was the change in U.S. patent laws that took us from "first to invent" to "first to file" and with freelance agents/field agents, whatever you want to call them...having access to E.N.'s database, and yes, this happened a lot, now that I have checked with a reliable source, there has been a huge change in the risk of yours and my submissions falling prey to first hand, second hand plagiarism. Anyone who denies this, either doesn't have all the facts, or doesn't want to.

Edison Nation has worked with Field Agents in the past. As I previously indicated, any Field Agent that works with Edison Nation is subject to the SAME confidentiality obligations as any standard Edison Nation employee. I am not sure who this “reliable source” is, but I’d be happy to speak directly with them to clarify.

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Add to that the fact that E.N. does not, by their own public admission, pursue any breach of the NDA contracts that are signed at presentation, and you have a recipe for potential plagiarism.

This statement is absolutely untrue. 

We have not indicated that we do not pursue any breach of an NDA contract. In fact, as outlined in previous threads, we have a policy in place for any innovator who feels there has been a potential infringement to follow that is outlined now in our forum rules and in our FAQs.

The Edison Nation team has nondisclosure agreements in place with ALL sponsor partners. For those ideas that do not have IP protection filed upon submission, if those ideas reach “finalist” stage, they will NOT be presented to any company unless we have a non-disclosure in place. If it is a company we have not worked with in the past, we will request an NDA. No ideas are presented without that paperwork in place.

Are there instances where someone can have a similar idea as you? Yes. If a pain point is identified, there is a high probability there are others out there that have attempted a solution.

If there is an instance of a potential infringement, upon receiving the required information around the inventor’s product and competitive product that exists, the Edison Nation team WILL investigate the claim. To maintain confidentiality, inventors must send an email with the information to EN and we’ll continue to communicate with the inventor directly on the status of the investigation, as we have with Michael’s concern.

E.N., who has reluctantly agreed to look into at least one of my claims of possible plagiarism, has been unsuccessful in tracking down the origin of a single contract.

Michael, our review for your query was not done reluctantly. I have indicated that the process should have been initially handled faster and offline, but Scott has had a call with the company in question and communicated all results of that call to you, including next steps.


If any of the previous statements shared have been misunderstood or miscommunicated by the Edison Nation team, I apologize and I hope the facts cited above can help provide clarification.

If there are any other people that have questions that you'd prefer not to share within these forums, you're welcome to message me directly.

Thank you.

K J
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Hi Michelle,

First let me apologies for saying it was done reluctantly...just my take when I told you that Harvest Direct received the product from Harrington Marketing and you replied that you would consider the matter closed. Still waiting to see what Scott is now willing to do to get to the bottom of this...this is awesome and appreciated.

As far as my statement: "Add to that the fact that E.N. does not, by their own public admission, pursue any breach of the NDA contracts that are signed at presentation, and you have a recipe for potential plagiarism." And your response being that it is absolutely untrue, I will quote you as to what lead me to believe that, your words:

"It is our policy not to take any action regarding infringement on any products we do not license out. Due to the large amount of submissions we receive and present, we only assume rights to product we license."

So having said that, you might see how the NDA's do not protect us at the time of a presentation. And at that time you also told me that I should probably consult with a Patent Attorney.

And I think you may have misunderstood me as far as the "thousands of eyes". I was not referring to your employees or your contracted help, but of the sponsors and all of the other companies that viewed our ideas...I don't think that I was exaggerating considering that most if not all of those contacts had 2 eyes each..? Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

I think that it's great that E.N. thinks confidentiality is infallible, but to say that my statement of keeping ideas from slipping through as not the case? Then why is Scott checking into something that can't happen? I guess I'm a little confused...

As far as my "reliable source", I don't see where you got the notion that they disagreed with you on anything?

You seem awfully defensive and for that I truly apologies as well, as I would think that these are just the sort of things that need to be understood.

And thanks for allowing us to all do our best to understand and know what works best for each of us.  

I know this is time consuming and I hope you know that it has been and is greatly appreciated.

   

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"It is our policy not to take any action regarding infringement on any products we do not license out. Due to the large amount of submissions we receive and present, we only assume rights to product we license."

This makes sense considering the many presentations. It could also deter countersuits if you mistakenly accuse another.

Technically, its a goodwill gesture when EN investigates a non licensed claim, and they could possibly alienate a Sponsor. The NDA may give a member some ammo if they want to attain their own council.

I would insert that policy statement into the Innovator Agreement, then when a claim comes up, EN can say "Its not our policy, however, since we value our members, we will look into the deal."

I wouldn't recommend deleting your account under any circumstances because:

What if a claim comes up and all your data and time stamp is not available.

It may be an in-house EN claim against another EN members launched idea, where all they have to do is change inventorship.

When submitting to other sites, its very easy to copy and paste your description.       

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Good morning to all,

Michael, I appreciate your words, thank you.

To clarify and hopefully close the loop on this conversation, 

"It is our policy not to take any action regarding infringement on any products we do not license out. Due to the large amount of submissions we receive and present, we only assume rights to product we license." 

Let me provide a bit more background and clarity. Per Edison Nation's innovator agreement, Edison Nation is not assigned the rights to intellectual property until a product is licensed. Because we do not have the rights to the IP, we have to be very careful in our approach to our partners when it comes to potential infringement claims.

If a product has been declined prior to reaching finalist status and being pitched to potential partners, we will not pursue any investigations into infringement claims because the team would not have pitched those ideas out.

For products that have been pitched, if there is an infringement claim from an innovator, we will review the information provided by the inventor:

  • The product in question
  • The company who has manufactured a similar product
  • Dates of manufacture versus date of submission

We'll also review the list of folks the product has been presented to in order to determine if any of the companies have connections to the product in question. If there is a connection, we will investigate further, as was the case with Harvest Direct.

Rob F. is correct, in all of these instances, we have to take extreme care in approaching our partners with these requests as these requests can come off as accusatory and could affect our relationship with the partner. We also need to be careful in these instances as Edison Nation does not have assignment of the IP if the product is not licensed.

I apologize if any comment was unclear or misunderstood. We take all infringement concerns very seriously.

I also apologize if these communications feel defensive. It feels as though there are folks out there that are operating under some inaccuracies and it is my responsibility to ensure that our policies are communicated clearly and the facts are being presented. I am also reviewing our documentation and help page to see where we can provide additional clarity for the community.

Anyone who has additional questions is always welcome to reach out to me directly to discuss. I hope this does help to clarify and close this loop so we can all move forward and focus on the main goal - inventing new products.

Thank you.

K J
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Okay thanks Michelle. Yes I agree, things have been made clear.

Edison Nation is powerless to protect anything that is not licensed and thank goodness there are a few honest companies out there. As I have said before, this is not to cast blame, only that the E.N. business model, now with over 150,000 members...oh, and growing, has to have it's priorities.  

However it does not change the fact that there are at least 6 of my submissions to a T,  on store shelves as we speak and the only one that was looked into did not go past the first contact and as you are now referring to it in the past tense, I will consider it must now be my own problem.

I will admit, I really did appreciate who Edison Nation use to be, but for me, it can no longer be anything short of a PPA and even then, should I go to the trouble to do that, I feel that I will have much better odds presenting it myself. And have.

Have an awesome Wednesday!

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Hi Michael,

"Edison Nation is powerless to protect anything that is not licensed and thank goodness there are a few honest companies out there. As I have said before, this is not to cast blame, only that the E.N. business model, now with over 150,000 members...oh, and growing, has to have it's priorities."

The above mentioned statement is inaccurate. Edison Nation is not powerless to protect products that are not licensed. As I have outlined several times within this thread and others, we have NDAs in place with all sponsor companies and those for which we present ideas that may not come to us that are patented or patent-pending. We WILL pursue any instances where innovators express concerns around similar products in the marketplace.

Again, if there was an instance where an innovator felt that a product that reached finalist status had been duplicated, there is a process in place to submit those concerns to EN via email. The EN team will review the case and communicate directly with the inventor on next steps. Once again, we take these concerns very seriously. 

Of course we want to continue to see the Edison Nation community grow, but our goal is to work with our innovator community to educate, evaluate and commercialize their products. 

The policies I have outlined are supported by our team and our company. 

Michael, I'm sorry if you continue to have doubts and I respect it if you decide to move forward to pursue other avenues. 

We wish you the best no matter the path you decide to take.

Thank you.

K J
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okay

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