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Stuck at Level #4 Research for 8 months

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I submitted an idea to Edison Nation Medical and it's been stuck at Level #4 Research Stage for 8 months. Is this common and why don't they touch base with me a little? Tell me "Something!?!" How long can this go on before they do tell me something?

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Mark - I'd definitely check in with Michelle Sartori here or email her/support team at questions@edisonnation.com - I'm sure they'll be glad to look into it for you. What you're experiencing may be some kind of glitch in the system.

Sarah Mann
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Mark,

I know that historically, Edison Nation Medical operated as a completely separate entity from Edison Nation.  Not sure whether or not that is still true.  I don't log into EN Medical very often, but I have noticed that EN Medical has stopped announcing new searches, and only has a general consumer product healthcare search which lists Edison Nation as the sponsor.  So your guess is as good as mine.  That being said, I agree with Robert that Michelle may at least be able to provide a contact or maybe some high-level advisement at to what might be going on.

Robert Pontius
Sarah Mann
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Hi Mark!

I'll message you directly regarding your submission to Edison Nation Medical as we do not discuss submission details publicly in the forums.

Thank you!

Michelle

Patric J
Robert Pontius
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Hi Fred!

It sounds like you may have cookies installed on your browser which is what is preventing you from logging in.

Each time you are done with Edison Nation, log out and close your browser window. 

When you log in, be sure you are using your email address (not your username) to log into the system with your password. 

If you continue to have issues, please send me a message in the EN system.

Thank you!

Robert Pontius
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Hi Fred,

I emailed you back regarding this issue this morning. Each time you clicked, the transaction was processed. That being said, I have provided you refunds for all duplicate payments which should appear back on your card in 5-10 business days.

Regarding any access issues, I have emailed with instructions on how to access the system as well as how to submit ideas and payment. If you have issues in the future, please send me an email or a message within the Edison Nation system and I'll work with you directly versus publicly via these forums to correct the problem.

Thank you!

Patric J
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Hey Mark,

That does sound like a long time for a G4...now G7 I can understand, it can take finding the right place in time with the perfect fit for a licensee.

I have one G7 at 2 years and 11 months..!! Not sure why, but just hoping something happens with it before I retire in 4 years!! ;D

The glass is always half full for me...

Sarah Mann
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Mark,

That is a really long time!!!

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Hi Michael,

Wow you have more patience than I do...  waiting for 2 years 11 months at G7 is astounding to me... that a product idea can advance through 7 stages including market research and then just sit there for a long enough time for the market to change.  I would have taken it back and tried to find a potential licensee myself after 6 months. Good luck I hope you find a licensee soon!

Michael Heagerty
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Thanks Duane,

Normally I would agree to pursue it on my own,  however I am already doing so with some of my other ideas and will let Edison Nation work things from their end with a few of my other ideas. I also have a G3 at 8 months...  as you can imagine, Edison Nation has thousands of ideas sent to them every year and with their growing popularity I'm sure there is much to do at HQ.

In time I will play a greater role in pursuing my own contracts, but for now my life is proving to be a full plate and I welcome any and all that E. N. can find in there schedule to do to help..!

"Virtue is a patience" : )

Duane Bartlett
Sarah Mann
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Michael, 

Thanks for the reality check. I have two G3's - one at almost 3 months, one at maybe two months, and I've been wondering what the norm is. 

I'm starting to explore possibilities for one of the submissions, so as to be prepared if I get an R. 

I'm finding that extremely challenging because it is pretty much a new category, so I'm thinking EN would also have the same challenges with finding a home for it. 

Licensing is not an easy path!

And I agree that they might be inundated-- I imagine the EN offices as stacked to the ceiling with submissions, and a handful of people trying to sort through them all. I can't help but imagine my submission lost at the bottom of a pile, or under a desk, somewhere.

That's not a criticism of EN-- I don't really believe the reality matches my worst case scenario!!! Ha ha, it's just my anxiety working overtime!

Michael Heagerty
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Michael,  

Yes, I'm in a similar situation with not enough time left at the end of the day!  I've never found a licensee for any of my products on my own.  I do want to find out if I have the ability to push one of my products through the entire licensing process of building a list of possible licensees, contacting the appropriate people beyond the gate-keepers, negotiating term sheet items, and finally signing a contract.  I agree with you that EN must have a full plate in front of them and many plates waiting...  I can only imagine  how EN product engineers have to give each and every submission its due diligence including an accurate market, manufacturing and price point analysis.  It makes me wonder... do submissions that have good presentations  ie. CAD drawings, PPA, 3D renderings, professional sell sheet and/or video presentations, advance the fastest through the stages?  I would imagine its true because it helps decision makers to see how the product can be viewed from a consumers point of view....to actually feel the excitement that the product can stir up... and if if a product can make people pick up the phone, it might be worth pitching it to companies.

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Duane, CAD drawings, PPA, 3D renderings, professional sell sheet and/or video presentations do help get the point across. But at the same time consider one of EN's hits Eggies was a plain drawing  when it was first submitted.

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Hi Ron, thats very interesting too!  I guess what Im thinking is that these things can help speed up the process of going through the stages IF it's a good concept...what good is a new paint job on a Rambler?  You make an excellent point.  So the eggies concept was good enough to catch the imagination of just about anyone who saw it including EN because it had a huge amount of wow factor?

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Duane,

When I saw the Eggies submission drawings they inspired my approach for a concept I'm working on. Her drawings were not rough sketches, they were lovely, clear, simple line drawings. 

I think the concept caught EN's eye because since just about everyone eats eggs it's an indisputably mass market item.

Duane Bartlett
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".what good is a new paint job on a Rambler?" LOL! You're reminding me of my age Duane...the new paint on our Rambler was from the factory..! And man could that car move..!

If I remember right, Betsy was at stage 4? when she received a call from E.N. to begin the journey to market! Oh the good ol' days..!

Yes, I truly believe that the landscape has changed to some degree over time as E.N. has grown to it's current level of success and popularity. Just my opinion, but I personally feel that the days of the napkin sketch are not what they use to be...there's no doubt that you definitely have to begin with a concept that meets the requirements of a marketable wow factor, but the more we can do to help that concept along, the better.

There was a time not that long ago that there was little we could do for ourselves to promote a new idea and we depended on the idea of a given company doing all the leg work right from the beginning. But now we live in a time whereby we as individuals have so much more to work with...world wide sourcing of job shops for every need seems to have exploded and we now have the ability to do so much more for ourselves; 3D cad and printing, graphics, patent searches, PPA's...you name it!

This is a two fold dilemma for sure. As innovation and the development thereof becomes more accessible to the individual, so grows the number of people entering the game.

Last I heard and I may be wrong, E.N. has 140,000 members and that, in and of itself is definitely a "wow" factor!  

Robert Pontius
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Sarah thats cool how the eggie drawings inspired your current approach.  They must be pretty impressive.  Can members access drawings of all of the EN products?  That sounds like a great way to see what EN was working with on those products.

Sarah Mann
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Hi Michael!  Darn it I knew I should have used a Yugo as a comparison! Lol! I thought, 'what are the chances there's somebody out there fond of Ramblers?'....  My uncle had a Rambler that was constantly stranding him in the middle of nowhere..(he bought a used lemon) so my impressions have been tainted a bit! :)

Wow, 140,000 members.  That explains a lot.  I've heard of mind boggingly successful products and businesses being conceived on napkins.  A patent attorney I know of tells inventors that a simple sketch with hand written notes and arrows is all thats needed for PPA's, but I agree with you that the more we can do to help the concept along, the better.

As for my product currently in G8 stage, I feel that being an InventRight student helped tremendously in creating the most professional presentation that I was capable of doing.  Through them I was fortunate enough to learn of fiverr about 6 months ago.  I hooked up with a good 3D artist in Bangladesh who knew what I was trying to accomplish. He gladly signed an NDA and those 3D renderings really improved my sell sheet tremendously. I also wanted a good looking prototype for videos so he made up an STL file which I used to 3D print a prototype locally in my area.  Then using the prototype I was able to make a good promotional video showing the product in use... a fiverr artist provided the voiceover that was the icing on the cake!

Michael Heagerty
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Duane,

I think I may have seen The Eggie drawings in the YouTube video of Betsy talking about her product.

It's interesting to me that you speak highly of InventRight. Lately I'm soaking up a lot of AmyJo's videos, they're excellent. 

Duane Bartlett
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We had a Rambler when i was a kid!

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I think this is the video you are talking about  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uQ_kCstEHw

Duane Bartlett
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Yes, that's the one.

It looks like she had someone do drawings for her. Her sell sheet is really simple and clear, with a clean look- nothing extraneous. It's great.

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Sarah thats pretty cool that she could submit it with a simple black line drawing.  It says a lot about timing and wow factor.  The market was ready for her product!  EN was ready to launch it!  And talk about a huge market!.

Sarah Mann
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Thanks for the video Roger, much clearer now!

Sarah Mann
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There are YouTube videos of people using Eggies which are pretty funny. Is the product still being made?

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Hi Sarah!  I dont know if you were addressing your question to me but I hate unanswered questions!:)  I'm not sure if Eggies are still being made.  I havent seen them for sale anywhere like Walmart or Bed Bath and Beyond.  However, there are a lot of silicone egg cooking products out there these days.  Maybe the eggies market is saturated....a problem I see with Eggies design is when the egg heats up inside the plastic shell, it builds up steam...where does the steam go?  I would guess that a little egg leakage was normal.  I read that some of them exploded!  Yikes!

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Hi Duane,

I haven't heard about explosions, but I only watched one review. There are so many on YouTube! ( I just looked.)

It seems so many products have quirks that need to be worked out. And it seems many are manufactured and sold before the quirks are smoothed out.

It's on us to know our product inside and out, and be informed about the possible pitfalls, but it's on the licensee to use their resources to make it as good as possible. 

It's discouraging to create something, put your trust in a company, and then have a sub optimal product.

On the other hand, what level of imperfection is reasonable to expect?

Duane Bartlett
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Hi Sarah,

I would say that an acceptable "imperfection" would be a "one size fits all" product that might not fit certain people.  Like a ball cap for instance. 90% of the population can wear it but because of variations in head shapes and sizes, some folks might not fit so well.  So actually its not really an imperfection because nothing is perfect for everyone imho.  Most products can please many of the people most of the time but not all the people all of the time. :-) 

Sarah Mann
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Sarah,  

I agree with you completely though on sub optimal products... maybe some licensees are a little too eager to get a hot idea to market and to pull in the initial profits so they forego the improvement process.  That could be a very counter productive way to do business!  

Sarah Mann
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