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I have a consumer healthcare product idea, but am confused as to whether to submit via edison nation insiders, edison nation consumer healthcare submission search, or edison nation medical.  How do I decide which is right for me?

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Hi Samantha!

Currently, there are no available searches on Edison Nation Medical. I would suggest that you submit your idea to our Consumer Healthcare Search.

Best of luck!

Samantha Spencer
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Thanks.  So no available searches means the idea would not be considered if submitted? I'm a little confused then as to why anyone would use Edison Nation Medical at all.

Also, is there any benefit to becoming an Edison Nation Insider prior to posting the idea on the Consumer Healthcare search, or does it not make a difference?  If there is a difference, what is it?

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Samantha:

I defer to Michelle, but I can tell you that it DOES make a difference if you become an Insider *before* submitting to the Consumer Healthcare search. One of the biggest things is that you will get feedback only if you are an Insider before submitting.

Samantha Spencer
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Hi Samantha,

You would not be able to submit the idea to Edison Nation Medical because there are no searches to submit to. It must go to either the All Category Search or the Consumer Healthcare search to be considered.

If you are looking into Insider membership, I agree with Robert, definitely upgrade before submitting so you can take advantage of the discounted submission rate among other benefits. To upgrade, just visit your Membership page here: www.edisonnation.com/membership.

Best of luck!

Samantha Spencer
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I'll add that I have a consumer healthcare invention that has been successfully licensed to a company called Health Enterprises/Apothecary Products (Apothecary acquired HE) through Edison Nation. I submitted in a past ("LPS") search sponsored by HE/Apothecary Products, but to date I believe that Apothecary has licensed something like 7 or 8 inventions from EN members so the relationship is undoubtably close and on-going. I'm guessing that a consumer healthcare idea that is successful in the Consumer Healthcare search could be presented to Apothecary (and others) if appropriate.

My advice: if you have a killer consumer healthcare idea become an Insider first and then submit to the Consumer Healthcare search.

Samantha Spencer
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Hi Robert, I am pondering a NEW Item right now, that fits this search. I was an insider but sadly had to let it drop for a while due to tight budget issues.  I need to revisit this again.  Im working on my prototype right now - in fact, I hope to use it on my upcoming trip to try it out.  I have a new spin on an old problem. Best. CD

Samantha Spencer
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Thanks very much to all of you.  This is really helpful to this newbie!

Michelle Sartori
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Best of luck Samantha! Don't hesitate to ask more questions - people in this community love to help.

Samantha Spencer
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Crystal-Diane:

Kudos on the new idea - and a working prototype is always a big plus, especially, I think, when it comes to consumer healthcare products. It's especially useful if you can test that prototype "in the field" (like on your trip). I hope fortunes turn and you're able to restore your insider membership soon!

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Hi Robert, Thank you.  Been busy and just finished up my Prototype - now the big question, I would LOVE to send this one into EN. But I am still tweeking it - however, I do think that ANYONE would GET IT right away even with this first version - and one a bit imagintive can see all the options and embodiments - so? Timing - . 

should just take the photo's of my first prototype and get it into the loop -or keep refining it and field test it (then again I dont want to spill the beans publically!).  Thoughts?  

Robert Pontius
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Crystal-Diane,

Thoughts:

Maybe take photos of the prototype and use them to make a sell sheet? Then show the sell sheet to people you trust and see if they get the hook?

I'm finding that showing the sell sheets to friends is SO helpful, and always results in revision.

I've also found over the years that when you photograph your work all the flaws become more glaring. So after taking photos you'll probably know better if it needs more tweaking or development.

I know for myself I'm trying to be less of a perfectionist, because so often the details I obsess about are inconsequential. But I don't want to err on the side of slap dash.

Also, the EN submission form is so helpful. I tend to edit the writing a number of times, which is really helpful in honing the concept. With editing, and allowing more time to let things simmer essential fine tuning can occur.

Robert Pontius
Crystal-Diane Nappi
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And Crystal-Diane don't forget the things we discussed on sell sheets and keeping them short and concise. You have gotten very good at streamling the text.

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Hello I just submitted without becoming an insider, can I still become an insider and how much time do I have to enroll after my submission as well as the cost, I discovered that information after-the-fact. Thanks

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Great suggestions all...sales sheet it is! Working.....

Karen C Adams
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Hi 2livedadream and welcome to Edison Nation!

Insider benefits are, unfortunately, not retroactive. You must be an Insider at the time of submitting for the benefits to take place. Going forward, you'll earn points, receive feedback, get the submission fee discount and more for ideas you share.

Best of luck!

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Crystal-Diane:

Just a quick note - and I mention this only because I wasn't sure if by "I would LOVE to send this one into EN" you meant (by "this one") your submission or your prototype.

In my experience EN will never ask for or want your physical prototype to be sent to them until G7 or later, and maybe not even then. A photo or video of the prototype, yes, but not the actual prototype. They don't want people to go through the expense of shipping, etc. until it's necessary.

You can also keep tweaking your prototype throughout the process. Sometimes I've started a submission with prototypes only I could operate because they were so finicky (like they fall apart if you don't hold them a certain way) and only in later stages have I put the time in to further develop the prototype so that others could operate them. 

Crystal-Diane Nappi
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Michelle:

If a person really, really wanted to make sure they got feedback and other insider benefits from a submission made before they were an insider could they delete their submission and re-submit after becoming in an insider, even if that ends up costing an extra $25?

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Hi Robert!

My recommendation would always to be to allow the idea to go through the system. If it happens to be declined, review the standard feedback provided (not idea-specific, but hints are provided to help inventors with next steps).

Then, I would recommend the inventor upgrades their account, duplicates the idea providing updates based on the feedback received and submit it again to the search if that is where the inventor wants it reviewed. Alternatively, they can opt it into another search for reconsideration.

**Remember, ideas cannot be opted back into searches where they were previously declined.**

Hope this helps!

Robert Pontius
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That makes perfect sense Michelle - thanks!

Michelle Sartori
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Follow-up questions for Michelle - Do you ever submit an idea to more than one program at once?

For example, I submitted the idea to the Consumer Healthcare search, but I see that now as an Insider, I also can submit ideas at any time to the Insider Licensing Program.  Can I / should I submit to both programs?  If so, how do I decide whether or not to do that?  

Also, if my idea is ultimately rejected by the Consumer Healthcare Search, could it makes sense to revamp it based on the feedback and then submit again through the Insider Licensing Program?

Thanks!

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Hi Samantha!

You have answered your own question - you are certainly welcome to submit ideas to more than one search, but as the Consumer Healthcare Search and Insider Licensing Program are not sponsored searches, I would recommend your second plan - wait to see how the idea does in the Consumer Healthcare Search and then update it based on the feedback you receive.

Best of luck!

Samantha Spencer
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Thank you!

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Some more specific questions - When does the Consumer Healthcare Search end (or is it ongoing)? What kind of timeframe from submission to Stage 7 is expected?

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Hi Samantha!

Similar to the All Category Search, the Consumer Healthcare Search is ongoing.

Timing for pitching once an idea reaches Stage 7 varies as we are often at the mercy of outside evaluation timelines, etc. But the team will work to update on the Dashboard as we receive feedback and interest on the product.

Samantha Spencer
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Michelle:

As a hypothetical, if a person has an idea that is appropriate for 4 different, simultaneous searches such as: 

1. All Category

2. Consumer Healthcare Products

3. Sponsored (LPS)

4. Insider Licensing Program (ILP)

Would there be any reason to submit to one over the others? Which would potentially be the FASTEST path to get to consideration by a licensing partner?

Obviously there are a bunch of unknown variables here, but is there anything about the process used in one of these searches that would make it faster, all other things being equal?

Samantha Spencer
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Hi Robert,

This is a hard one - the All Category and Consumer Healthcare searches are both eight-stage evaluation processes while the ILP is four. 

For both the All Category and the ILP, all categories of consumer products are evaluated for potential commercialization opportunities.

For the Consumer Healthcare Search, products are evaluated for opportunities in the healthcare industry. 

For sponsored searches, ideas are only going to be presented to that one sponsor.

The choice is really yours of how you'd like to move forward.

The only caveat I will indicate is that if you submit an idea FIRST to a sponsored search, that search will take priority, meaning, if the idea is also submitted to the All Category search and it reaches finalist stage within the sponsored search, it will be presented to that sponsor partner first before any additional pitching would take place.

Hope this helps!

Samantha Spencer
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Thanks Michelle - I know it's a complex question but your answer is really helpful (especially that caveat), and not just for me I'm sure.

So if I had an invention (with PPA) and my main goal is to (with EN's help) get it out there in front of companies as soon as possible for possible licensing is my best bet the ILP since it only has the 4 stages and because at the final stage EN could pitch it to companies a little more ad hoc rather than wait on a more formal presentation date with the one sponsor company?

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Hi Robert,

The All Category Search or the ILP would be an option for you - it really depends on your desired timing and financials as the ILP is $100 to submit versus the All Category Search which is $20 for an Insider.

Robert Pontius
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Thanks Michelle!

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Hi Michelle,

My idea was declined at Stage 4 in the Consumer Healthcare Search, and so took the very good feedback and reworked the idea, and am now ready to resubmit.  

However, the Edison Nation website won't let me resubmit to Consumer Healthcare. Essentially, it just says that my submission was declined, and this is greyed out in the choices that I can make for resubmission. Is this a bug in the website, or is this correct and I have to submit to another program/ search?

Thanks,

Sam

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If I may, Samantha.... we cannot resubmit a reworked X back into the same search.    

I defer to Michelle, but if the search is still active, you can enter it as a new submission (pay a new submission fee).

Hope this helps...

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Hmm - I do recall that a submission can't be resubmitted (for free) to a search where it has already been declined. I guess I thought that was more for LPS/sponsored searches. 

That said, one way around this may be to resubmit/opt-in the updated submission (for free) to the "All Categories" search. Ultimately, if the idea now passes muster with EN it can probably still make it to the same companies as if it went through the Consumer Healthcare search.

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Hi Samantha!

Frank and Robert are correct. We do not allow ideas to be submitted back into a search where they were previously declined. You have two options:

1. Update your idea based on the feedback you received and submit it to another search - the All Category Search may be an option for you.

2. Update your idea, duplicate it and submit it as a new idea into the Consumer Healthcare search - a submission fee will apply here.

Hope this helps to clarify and best of luck!

Robert Pontius
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Can ideas be resubmitted to the All Category? Or not? And how do free submissions work?

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Sarah,

If you get an X on a paid submission, then readjust said submission according to the feedback, you can "opt" it into any other (or future) search for free, for-ever, except the one it was rejected in.

Also, "Insider" points are not awarded on the free re-submissions.

Hope this helps

Robert Pontius
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Frank,

Thank you.

I knew none of that!

Robert Pontius
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Hi Sarah,

Confirming Frank's comments. Insiders can opt ideas into other applicable searches for consideration, but we do not allow ideas to be opted back into any of our searches where they were previously declined. If you want an idea considered further because you have updated it based on feedback, it would need to be duplicated. 

And, yes, Insider points are only awarded for the first submission of an idea, not opt ins. 

More information can be found on the Edison Nation Help Page.

Thanks!

Robert Pontius
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Michelle, 

What do you mean by duplicated?

Resubmission to a different search is a duplication?

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Thanks everyone - this helps a lot!

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Hi Sarah!

To clarify, Edison Nation Insiders can opt existing ideas into different searches where they may be a fit for free.

That being said, no one can submit an idea back into the same search where the idea was previously declined. If you want an idea considered again in the same search, it will need to be duplicated and submitted as a new idea within that search. 

EXAMPLE: You submit Idea A into the All Category Search - it is not a fit for any other searches on the Edison Nation site. The idea is declined and you receive feedback (as you are an Insider). You feel that if you update the idea you'd like it considered again. You cannot submit Idea A into the All Category Search again. It must be duplicated, updated and submitted as a new idea to be considered within the All Category Search.

Hope that helps!

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