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Hey guys!

As you know, Edison Nation publishes as series of blog posts called InvENting 101 where we provide you resources to help make you a better innovator. While we are always building our content calendars internally, we want to ensure we're covering the topics YOU want to read.

That being said, please feel free to share topics you'd like to learn more about on this forum thread!

Thank you and Happy Inventing!

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3D drawings and graphic.

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I would like to see a treatise on determining if an item has a "mass market" or otherwise determining what the addressable market size of an item could be.

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A post about "Which search should I submit to?" could also be helpful, especially if it provided a kind of "decision tree" we can follow to determine which search is best for our submissions, especially All Category vs. ASOTV vs. Insider Licensing Program.

Michelle Sartori
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These are great suggestions! Keep 'em coming!

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I know you have a blog about the ideal submission 'Witch I love and try to emulate ' but maybe one with a little brake down like Factory sample vs prototype what Is industrial design and do's branding mean I already have a name for it? .. Thanks love your site and look forward to working with you all    

Michelle Sartori
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Following Robert's comments above- Perhaps some clarity regarding ideas that do not make it through a search, especially those that are presented but not picked up by the sponsor. For the benefit of both parties, why would they, or not, not be presented to another company for licensing. Or if an idea was submitted to All Category but is a perfect fit (in EN's opinion) for a sponsored search, would it be presented? I guess what I'm saying is Clarity may eliminate Missed Opportunities. 

The more we understand....The more successful both parties become.

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Hi Mark!

We'll definitely dive into a "Help in deciding which search to submit to" post.

That being said, to answer your question specifically, the reason why the EN team does not automatically pitch an idea that was declined from a sponsored search to other companies is due to our legal terms. 

When you submit an idea to a search, you sign an innovator agreement electronically for THAT search ONLY. The Edison Nation team does not have the rights to automatically pitch that idea to other companies unless the innovator specifically grants their permission.

This is why, when we update dashboards following a search, we always encourage folks to opt their ideas into the All Category Search for further consideration if they'd like.

Hope this provides additional clarification for you!

Chase workman
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Ditto Robert... this one seems to really evade me .  I had the opportunity to talk to Louis foreman a few months ago  him the same question  I guess it means different things to different people but I agree some type of metric would be helpful.

Michelle Sartori
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Just curious, from a personal interest perspective. Do the folks reviewing submissions for a search ever sit there and say something like this? "It's too bad Member X didn't submit their idea from another search to this new search. I think it would do really well." 

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Rafael, that's kind of what I was asking above, as it would be a win-win for both. I realize that the agreement only covers representation for a current search but why would EN want to miss an opportunity? A simple e-mail to the inventor asking "EN feels your previously submitted project may be a fit for this search, would you care to resubmit it?" After all, the previously submitted work has already been vetted.

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Rafael and Mark - yes, there are numerous times where a team member has reached out based upon knowledge of a previously submitted innovation, and checked the status with a community member.. is it still available ? Are you currently pursuing ? Did you know about search sponsor X who is currently looking for products and yours could be a fit, etc.

With that said, you are relying on a team member to remember something that may have been submitted weeks or years ago (trust me it does happen sometimes after years !!).

We try to think of every potential innovation that may be a fit, but always best for the individual innovator to be aware of potential paths and be taking the steps required to submit.

But Mark - will advise that prior vetting ONLY helps to a certain point...EVERY review is done when submitted as details in the market change daily...something that may have been a potential innovation previously, isn't granted 100% guarantee that it makes it through review process in future, as new patents, new products,e tc. must always be considered.

Hope this helps. 

Rafael Avila
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I can personally attest to what Scott has said about the EN team remembering prior submissions and suggesting they be opted in where appropriate - human memory is never perfect but Scott and others at EN seem to have fantastic recall and are always looking out for opportunities for our inventions.

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Michelle:

I've been following the design firm IDEO at least since the circa 1998 Nightline episode on reinventing the shopping cart. Now they have a $200 course on their process, which I am really tempted to purchase: 

https://www.ideou.com/products/hello-design-thinki...

But how about an EN Blog series about ENVENTYS and their process and "design thinking"? For one thing, I suspect that many EN members don't really understand what Enventys is and does but I think it would also provide a great model for our own invention/design processes.

Michelle Sartori
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To add to Scott and Robert's posts - while the EN Team will, on occasion, go back into the archives to see if a product is a fit for a new opportunity, I always recommend that our inventors are their own advocates. It is important to check back on the site often and opt in where you see a fit. Don't wait for us - if you see an opportunity - definitely review it further and consider an opt in. 

Best of luck!

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Hi Robert! 

Definitely noted and on the list! And, to follow up my last post, we will dive further into the search and opt in process for a future InvENting 101!

Thank you all for your suggestions!

Robert Pontius
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Just curious....This is a 2 part question....How does EN go about getting new companies to use their service? Do you cold call them....and do you find it difficult for companies to sign the non-disclosure agreement....Thanks!

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Thank You Scott! I appreciate your input and that was exactly the answer I was looking for.

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Hi Carlos!

We can definitely dive into the process of securing a search for a blog post - thanks for sharing the idea!

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Does the EN review team ever consider linking one member's product idea with another member's  product idea in order to make a successful product? If not, with the permission of the two members could that ever be an option? I had a dog product idea that I thought would be great with another member technology idea. 

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Hi Mary!

If this were ever something that would work and identified by the team, the EN team would approach both members to see if they were open to an alternative arrangement as this affects IP, etc.

If you're in touch with another member and you'd like to submit an idea jointly, you're welcome to do that as well. The account would need to be managed by one person and idea submitted with the other inventor as a contributor - we leave that arrangement to you.

Hope this helps to clarify!

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Thank you for responding Michelle. Tell EN I am open to alternative arrangements!!!  I understand there would definitely be Legalities to consider.  

Suppose I thought of an idea that would be an extension of an already existing EN product idea.  Again, using the inventor's already existing technology to expand the product line. What are you proposing is that I would have to reach out to that particular inventor? 

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Michelle, I have a new product idea for AS Seen ON TV that I am currently working on. My product is more specifically for female aging adult women. I don't know your employee demographics but when I visited many years ago I did notice mostly young male employees. During stage review process do the reviewers ever take the time to reach out to the opposite gender to ensure a thorough review process?   I guess my fear is that young male adults can't really identify with this problem that I am so determined to resolve. I am sure they can recognize a good product and do diligent research, but If I was given the choice I  would prefer a female to also review my submission.  Have members ever requested a specific gender review? Just wondering? 

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Hi Mary!

Yes, if you cite something you'd like to work on, we would advise reaching out to the inventor to ensure they're open to the idea as it is a modification of existing IP.

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Hi Mary!

We can dive into the review process as a future topic on the blog. To answer your question briefly, we do indeed take measures to ensure products that are specific to women or men are reviewed by both genders. This actually happened today where a male reviewer sent a concept over to me for thoughts around it as it was a product geared toward women.

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Thank you, Michelle, for the reassurance.

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Michelle:

I think you may have something like this planned already but I know a lot of people would be interested in a blog post about what happens AFTER you get a G7 in a LPS - i.e., the journey from sponsor presentation to "on sale" product. Maybe cover some key milestones in that journey like "Sponsor Due Diligence", "The License Agreement", "G8", "Decision to Commercialize", etc.

I imagine a title like "So your idea was presented to a sponsor - what's next?"

Michelle Sartori
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Hi Robert!

Excellent topic!

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It has probably already been covered, but how do you figure the (costs) of making your creation? 

Materials, and especially molds for something that is hard plastic  size of a football sliced lengthwise, that is thin and won't bend ? for example

Thank you in advance

Michelle Sartori
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Hi Charlie, 

Costing is a great topic to dive further into!

Thank you!

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I've always wanted to learn how to do the hula.

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William, that one may be a little out of our wheelhouse, but for you, I'll look into it!

Thanks to all for suggestions and keep them coming! We're building a great queue for InvENting 101 posts in 2018!

For each post that we share, we'll be creating a new forum thread so everyone will have the opportunity to discuss the topic as well!

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I know this may be a big request but I found the topics on this thread to be very insightful and I would reference them all the time. If I knew they would go away I would have copied them. I really liked the Terms and Definitions one. Could you start on that one first? You don't have a backup of the various threads saved?

edisonnation-com/forums/other/topics/lesson-number-1-46

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Hi Rosa!

We can absolutely add new terms to our list of blog content. There is one article you can reference here: http://blog.edisonnation.com/2015/02/inventing-101-terms-inventors-should-know/.

This should help you get started, but we will review looking up additional terms to update the list.

Thank you for the suggestion!

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Uhhhh....  I still haven't had any tutelage on how to do the Hula.   8  \

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Here you go William! ;)

How to do the Hula

Chase workman
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8 ))

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Yes, Robert is right. I'd really like to know what makes a search better than the other. Also, I'd like to know the best search,  based on the idea.

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Hi Collins and Robert! 

Stay tuned next week! ;)

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William, just imagine if there was a hoop-like thing that you could use to mimic the Hula......we'd make a killing.

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Just finished reading Roger’s ebook Common Sense Inventing. It has to be the best book I’ve read on inventing since I started having ideas. Most of the books I have read don’t give real life examples or break it down in as Roger says in plain English.

I have been here for 4 years in the background soaking up all the information and reading the discussions trying to learn from those that have gone before me and it was great. I really felt like I was learning things. Now the forums are like a graveyard, hardly anyone posts and those that do are just as lost as I am. Roger Brown is gone, Frank White, Sarah Mann Leo Gauthier all gone. The people who answered the majority of the questions for all us newbies have all left. I enjoyed learning from people that actually have walked the walk not those that are just trying to sell me something or sound like they know what is going on when they really don’t. I don’t see much in the way of advice or helpful information coming from those that are left other than to just submit your idea to a search. While that is something it is not teaching me anything about inventing and the real world we all are trying to find success in with our ideas. Sorry just feeling depressed and frustrated in how I see things going lately. Don’t think I am the only one that feels that way or am I wrong?

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Hi Rosa,

We are sorry to see folks opt to move on as well but respect their choices to do so. That being said, it continues to be our goal at Edison Nation to educate and support our members.

That is why we’ve created this thread for folks to share topics they want to learn more about. Starting this week on Tuesday, we’ll be posting the first post in response to the requests on this thread. Each new “101” post will have its own thread to enable folks to openly discuss and share personal experiences.

A great reference for a ton of information both about our process and the overall journey of inventing is the Edison Nation Blog. You can access the blog by clicking on “Blog” in the navigation bar above.

If you’re interested in a topic we have not yet covered, please post that topic suggestion in this thread and we’ll add it to our queue.

Thank you!

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Michelle,

Got one question for you.

But first, thanks for the Hula lesson. Even though I threw my back out, thanks.

Now my question... who should I call first, my doctor or my lawyer ???

(winkeewinkee)

Charlie Lumsden
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William, Neither one of those two will be able to help, You should probably call the big Kahuna:)

Michelle,  I am having the darnedest time trying to connect with the right people in large companies to present an invention for licensing. Would that be the inhouse councils?

Most of the contact us e-mails are for orders. How do we go about finding the right people to contact that will show it to their product development team?

Also I know that EN has had searches with tool companies, but do they or will they ever find a partner in the safety or personal protection industry? Companies like Norcross safety or Ergodyne?

Almost all aspects of the protection industry are steady growing markets thru 2020  

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Hi Charlie!

As far as best practices with companies for outreach, my recommendation would be always, start with us.

If you're interested in pursuing on your own, I would research the company thoroughly to see if you can connect with a head of innovation or product development within that company to speak with.

On the personal protection industry, we have not done deals in that category to date, but you're always welcome to submit ideas within that industry to the All category search - the team will review and if it reaches Stage 7, work to secure the correct contacts in the space to present the concept.

Best of luck and hope this helps!

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